Riding the Silent Pony with Robin Zephier

Riding the Silent Pony with Robin Zephier

In this deeply reflective episode of the Trial Lawyers College Podcast, Maren Chaloupka sits down with longtime TLC graduate, trial lawyer, author, and teacher Robin Zephier. Robin shares the family stories, Indigenous traditions, and spiritual teachings that shaped his life, from the oral histories passed down by his grandmother to the legacy of his great-grandfather, Mato Niampi ("Saved by Bear"). Together, they explore how those lessons have influenced Robin's work as a trial lawyer, his commitment to serving others, and the profound impact of Trial Lawyers College on his understanding of storytelling, psychodrama, and human connection. The conversation also introduces Robin's moving new poem, Riding the Silent Pony, written for the College's Walk in Silence tradition: a meditation on self-discovery, listening, and reconnecting with the person waiting within. This episode is an invitation to slow down, honor the stories that came before us, and remember that the most important journey is often the one inward.

Fighting for Justice with Patrick McLain

What does it take to stand beside a client when the stakes couldn't be higher? In this episode of the Trial Lawyers College podcast, Amanda Harber and Andy Delaney sit down with renowned Texas criminal defense attorney Patrick McLain to discuss his nationally recognized representation in the Prairie Land detention center case, the challenges of defending politically charged prosecutions, and why the search for truth must always come before the pursuit of victory. Patrick shares how psychodrama, focus groups, story discovery, and other TLC methods shaped his trial preparation, strengthened his advocacy, and helped him remain grounded even in the face of difficult verdicts. The conversation also explores the value of the TLC community, the role of the F-Warrior alumni network, and why the real measure of a trial lawyer is the willingness to keep fighting for justice, regardless of the outcome.

Restoring Dignity with Lauren Checki and Naomi Jones

What happens when the fight isn't over a personal injury, but over a family's home? In this episode of the Trial Lawyers College podcast, Maren Chaloupka welcomes Louisiana attorneys Lauren Checki and Naomi Jones to discuss the deeply human stories behind property and casualty litigation. From hurricanes and flood damage to denied claims and bad-faith insurance practices, they explain how the TLC method transformed the way they investigate cases, connect with clients, and uncover the emotional impact of losing the place people call home. Through powerful examples, they reveal why these cases are about much more than roofs, walls, and repair estimates. They are about families, dignity, and restoring stability after disaster.

Behind the Bite with David Zagoria

What does it take to advocate for victims of dog attacks, and why do these cases involve far more than bites and scars? In this episode of the Trial Lawyers College podcast, Maren Chaloupka sits down with Georgia trial lawyer and TLC faculty member David Zagoria to explore the unique challenges of dog injury litigation. Through powerful role reversals and real case stories, David shares how the TLC method helps uncover hidden truths, build trust with witnesses, and connect deeply with clients whose lives have been changed by trauma. He discusses the investigative work required to prove these cases, the emotional scars that often outlast physical wounds, and how psychodrama and authentic storytelling transformed his practice and his life. Whether you represent injury victims, criminal defendants, or anyone seeking justice, this conversation offers a compelling look at advocacy rooted in humanity, truth, and connection.

Authenticity with Natanya Brooks

What happens when trial lawyers stop performing and start connecting? In this episode of the Trial Lawyers College podcast, Ron Estefan sits down with Natanya Brooks to discuss how the TLC method transformed not only her approach to trial work, but her life. Natanya shares how psychodrama, vulnerability, and authentic human connection helped her become more present with clients, juries, family, and herself. From processing personal loss to learning to trust her own voice in the courtroom, she reflects on the power of showing up as a genuine human being rather than performing a role. This inspiring conversation explores why connection, not perfection, is often the key to effective advocacy and meaningful relationships.