#29: Joe Cermele on Fishing Media, Audience Trust, and Staying Original
In this episode, I sit down with Joe Cermele to talk about his career in fishing media, from Field & Stream and Outdoor Life to MeatEater and now building Cut & Retie as an independent show. We get into writing, storytelling, creative freedom, audience trust, sponsors, and what it actually looks like to build a media business around your own voice.
Joe shares what he learned from nearly 20 years inside outdoor media, why personality-driven content has changed the industry, how hard it is to start from zero today, and why being independent gives you freedom but rarely gives you safety. We also get into AI, old fishing stories, why he hates dolphins, and why looking for Bigfoot is a respectable career path.
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00:01 Intro and why Joe appreciated a conversation outside the fishing world
00:55 Joe’s current life as an independent media creator
02:16 Creative work vs. building a business
04:36 How 20 years in media shaped his current path
07:40 Creating your own luck in outdoor media
11:51 Early adoption, blogs, video, and Hook Shots
17:34 Field & Stream archives and what old fishing media can teach us
19:07 Amazon trip, media trips, and international fishing logistics
22:36 Moving to MeatEater and learning the business side of media
25:42 Joining MeatEater right before COVID
27:39 Why hunting content can be more lucrative than fishing content
29:52 Why he started Cut & Retie
34:21 Building community and the platform he wishes he owned
38:14 Family, privacy, and being personal without filming everything
41:33 What Joe’s community actually looks like
44:38 Authenticity, over-sharing, and not forcing a persona
47:32 Why starting from zero today would be so difficult
49:59 Independent podcast economics and sponsor volatility
52:43 Protecting audience trust with brand partnerships
54:55 Where fishing media is heading
58:10 AI, search, and the future of outdoor writing
01:03:15 The ghost striper story
01:07:56 Finding Bigfoot, River Monsters, and burnout in dream jobs
01:09:51 Rapid fire round
01:10:25 Writer recommendation: Riverhorse Nakadate
01:11:46 Best place Joe has ever fished
01:12:42 How playing in bands helped his media career
01:14:47 Why Joe hates dolphins
01:16:39 Final wisdom: originality over competition
01:17:57 Where to find Joe and Cut & Retie