Recovery: The Whole Enchilada

Vacationing Sober: Enjoying Vacations Without Alcohol

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2369243/fan_mail/new] In this episode of Recovery: The Whole Enchilada, hosts Peg McDermott and Heather Hagaman discuss how to navigate vacations in sobriety, including planning ahead like you would for a party.  They share strategies such as traveling with sober people, gathering phone numbers and meeting locations, setting boundaries with drinkers, choosing accommodations and activities that support wellness, and having an exit plan when environments feel triggering.  Peg describes her first sober beach trip where she redirected cravings into finding sharks’ teeth, while Heather reflects on early vacations that centered on drinking and how sobriety helped her enjoy and remember trips. Heather recounts a recent Ireland trip where she avoided romanticizing alcohol, found steadiness and ease through prayer, and unexpectedly met another person in recovery.  They also cover cruise and retreat considerations, minibar risks, safe signature drinks, and small tools like removing wine glasses at restaurants. 00:00 Welcome and Topic Setup 00:48 First Sober Vacation Triggers 01:27 Sharks Teeth New Obsession 03:56 Safety Nets and Meetings 08:26 Planning and Boundaries 09:44 Ireland Trip Guinness Temptations 11:27 Steadiness Ease and Serendipity 16:41 Cruises and Danger Zones 22:52 Sober Retreats Buyer Beware 25:50 Signature Drinks and Exit Plans 30:54 Practical Tips Drinks and Glasses 31:54 Closing and Takeaways

Medication and Recovery: Bridging the Gap

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2369243/fan_mail/new] Hosts Peg McDermott and Heather Hagaman discuss dual recovery as living with both substance use disorder and mental health conditions like anxiety, depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder, and ADHD, and emphasize that treating both together is more effective than treating one alone.  Peg shares her experience of post-sobriety anxiety, insomnia, complex PTSD, and the difficult process of finding and safely tapering off sleep and anxiety medications under psychiatric care, alongside therapy, yoga, breathwork, and meetings.  Heather describes chronic depression and how antidepressants helped stabilize her without getting her “high,” supporting long-term sobriety. They address stigma in recovery communities around prescribed medications, pain management after surgery, and evolving issues like medical marijuana and “California sobriety,” including examples of cannabis use leading back to drinking.  They stress doctor-supervised, as-prescribed use, motivation to heal rather than numb, and compassionate nonjudgment, including discussion of professionally facilitated ketamine and psilocybin treatments.   00:00 Welcome and Topic 01:10 Medication in Recovery 04:30 Peg’s Anxiety and PTSD 07:43 Finding the Right Meds 09:27 Heather on Depression 12:34 Stigma and Room Debates 15:43 California Sober Talk 18:35 Meds as Healing Tools 23:55 Psychedelics and Judgment 27:48 Whole Person Recovery 31:02 Closing and Takeaways

The Recovery Renaissance: Art, Play, and New Perspectives

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2369243/fan_mail/new] On the podcast “Recovery, the whole enchilada,” host Peg McDermott and co-host Heather Hageman discuss springtime “new beginnings” in sobriety and how recovery widens a life that became small during drinking.  Heather shares rediscovering childhood joys like pressing wild violets, making herbs, salves, lavender eye pillows, and rebuilding creativity after alcohol.  Peg reflects on sports and outdoor play, how softball became strongly tied to drinking, and how sobriety required finding identity, leisure, and safe hobbies that reduce anxiety and support self-esteem.  They emphasize replacing drinking-centered downtime with sober fun—intuitive painting, golf, pickleball, bowling, dance classes, music, audiobooks, volunteering, gardening, and travel—without pressure to master skills. They encourage patience, saying yes more, using recovery tools, and enjoying life’s pace, with bucket-list plans like a Rhine River Christmas cruise, concerts, Ireland, and Europe. 00:00 Welcome to the Podcast 00:28 Springtime New Beginnings 01:22 Rediscovering Childhood Magic 03:44 Sports Identity and Drinking 07:44 Finding Fun in Recovery 10:35 Sober Creativity Returns 13:48 Bucket List Joy and Play 15:00 Relearning Fun Without Alcohol 20:55 Try New Things Gently 23:31 Dream Trips and Saying Yes 27:28 Slow Living and Ireland Plans 29:26 Closing Thoughts and Farewell

Boundaries of Steel: Staying Sober When Loved Ones Still Drink

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2369243/fan_mail/new] Hosts Peg McDermott and Heather Hagaman discuss how to care for yourself in sobriety when a partner, spouse, family member, or friend still drinks, including navigating drinking events and living with alcohol in the home.  They reflect on early sobriety experiments, noticing dysfunction, and the importance of having an exit plan, then expand to “boundaries of steel,” compassionate detachment, and avoiding enabling behaviors like ordering drinks or covering for someone.  Peg shares the experience of a partner relapsing and needing outside help to stop rescuing and refocus on personal wellbeing. They emphasize using “I” statements, not labeling others, reducing contact when needed, seeking support, and recognizing that help only works when it’s asked for, all to protect mental, emotional, physical health and long-term sobriety.  00:00 Welcome and Topic   00:55 Early Sobriety Experiments   03:13 Exit Plans and Home Drinking   04:35 Setting Household Boundaries   05:58 When a Partner Relapses   08:14 Protecting Yourself   08:58 Enabling and Detachment   12:27 Rescuing Versus Loving   16:21 Outside Help and Interventions   17:47 Hard Talks and I Statements   20:49 Holistic Sobriety Boundaries   27:21 Protecting Peace Long Term   30:10 Closing and Farewell

Facing Our Shadows: Understanding and Transforming Character Defects

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2369243/fan_mail/new] Character Defects or Coping Mechanisms?  Hosts Peg McDermott and Heather discuss “character defects,” reframing them as survival-based coping mechanisms rooted in fear and often formed through dysfunctional or traumatic experiences.  They explore how these patterns—people-pleasing, control, resentment, dishonesty, pride, perfectionism, anger, shame, blaming, and self-sabotage—intensified during drinking and can persist in sobriety unless brought into awareness through self-inventory, vulnerability, and professional support.  Peg shares examples from childhood and adulthood to illustrate how early unmet needs shape later relationship choices and recurring patterns, emphasizing that healing requires naming what’s hidden, meeting needs more effectively, and using tools like pausing before reacting and Dan Siegel’s “four S’s” (safe, seen, soothed, secure).  They conclude that coping behaviors can be transformed back into assets when brought into the light, supporting sustained sobriety and healthier relationships.   00:00 Welcome and Topic Setup 01:17 Reframing Defects as Coping 03:35 Peg on People Pleasing and Anger 08:57 Heather Childhood Roots and Alcoho  11:43 Writing Your Story Inventory 12:33 Eraser Story and Breaking Patterns 19:18 Awareness and Self Sabotage 23:15 Willingness Higher Power and Change 26:48 Four S Relationship Check 28:19 Pause Before Reacting 31:11 Seasonal Relationships and Boundaries 32:40 Bring Defects to Light 33:25 Closing Thanks and Subscribe