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This time around, we have a bit of a different format, featuring the book that started it all for me, The 4-Hour Workweek [https://www.amazon.com/4-Hour-Workweek-Escape-Live-Anywhere/dp/0307465357/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]. Readers and listeners often ask me what I would change or update, but an equally interesting question is: what wouldn’t I change? What stands the test of time and hasn’t lost any potency? This episode features two of the most important chapters from the audiobook of The 4-Hour Workweek. The chapters push you to defend your scarce attention—one by saying no to people, the other by saying no to excess information. Sponsors: David Protein Bars [https://davidprotein.com/pages/tim] 28g of protein, 150 calories, and 0g of sugar: https://davidprotein.com/tim [https://davidprotein.com/tim] (Buy 4 cartons, get the 5th free.) 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[00:25:14] Interrupting interruption and the art of refusal. [00:28:16] Not all evils are created equal. [00:29:36] Time wasters: Become an ignoramus. [00:30:09] Limit email consumption and production. [00:33:05] Screen incoming and limit outgoing phone calls. [00:36:10] Master the art of refusal and avoiding meetings. [00:38:33] In order of preference, steer people toward email, phone, and in-person meetings. [00:38:59] Respond to voicemail via email whenever possible. [00:40:50] Meetings should only be held to make decisions about a predefined situation, not to define the problem. [00:41:53] If you absolutely cannot stop a meeting or call from happening, define the end time. [00:43:00] The cubicle is your temple — don’t permit casual visitors. [00:44:24] Use the Puppy Dog Close to help your superiors and others develop the no-meeting habit. [00:46:48] Time consumers: Batch and do not falter. [00:50:05] How much is your time worth? [00:50:45] Estimate the amount of time you will save by grouping similar tasks and batching them. [00:51:14] Determine how much problems cost to fix in each period. [00:53:02] Empowerment failure: Rules and readjustment. [00:59:44] Questions and actions: Create systems to limit your availability. [01:01:55] Batch activities to limit setup cost and provide more time for dreamline milestones. [01:02:25] Set or request autonomous rules and guidelines with occasional review of results. [01:03:18] Tools for eliminating paper distractions, capturing everything. [01:05:28] Tools for screening and avoiding unwanted calls. [01:07:12] Tools for scheduling without back-and-forth. [01:08:23] Tools for choosing the best email batching times. [01:09:13] Tools for emailing without entering the inbox black hole. [01:10:20] Tools for preventing web browsing/internet use. [01:11:10] Comfort challenge: revisit the terrible twos. [01:12:07] Lifestyle design in action. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. 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Stephen West is a father, husband, and host of the Philosophize This! [https://www.philosophizethis.org/podcasts] podcast. Sponsors: Gusto [https://gusto.com/tim] simple and easy payroll, HR, and benefits platform used by 400,000+ businesses: https://gusto.com/tim [https://gusto.com/tim] (three months free) Momentous [https://livemomentous.com/tim] high-quality supplements: https://livemomentous.com/tim [https://livemomentous.com/tim] (code TIM for up to 35% off) Eight Sleep’s Pod 4 Ultra [https://eightsleep.com/Tim] sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: https://eightsleep.com/tim [https://eightsleep.com/tim] (save $350 on the Pod 4 Ultra) Timestamps: [00:00:00] So it begins. [00:06:11] Stephen’s challenging childhood — from San Diego to Child Protective Services. [00:07:55] How Stephen supported himself after dropping out of school at 16. [00:09:37] The physical wear and tear of warehouse work (and unexpected upsides of the job). [00:11:48] How Stephen discovered philosophy through googling “wisest person in history.” [00:14:07] Defining philosophy as a “disruption of common sense” and “gym for rethinking.” [00:16:06] The 4-Hour Workweek as a philosophical text. [00:19:27] A philosophical shift around Ralph Waldo Emerson. [00:22:18] The transition from warehouse work to starting Philosophize This! with friendly encouragement. [00:27:47] Authenticity as the secret sauce to Philosophize This! [00:32:24] The discomfort of comparing old episodes with new. [00:34:15] The current state of Philosophize This!: 225 episodes, Patreon, ads, upcoming book deal. [00:37:18] The value of focusing on content quality before monetization. [00:38:44] Most popular Philosophize This! episodes thus far. [00:40:00] Philosophize This! episodes I’d like to hear. [00:41:20] Thinking of philosophy as a verb, not a noun. [00:46:44] The concept of amor fati (love of fate) and its practical application. [00:48:41] Wittgenstein’s ladder as a metaphor for philosophical growth. [00:51:36] Stephen’s perspective on philosophy as a process rather than a set of protocols. [00:54:43] Philosophies that have personal meaning to Stephen: Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Simone Weil. [00:56:40] Simone Weil’s concept of attention and self-emptying. [00:59:26] Stephen’s approach to simplicity and sacrificing efficiency for meaning. [01:04:07] Valuing time and playing the long game. [01:06:01] How philosophy lives “in the shadow” of what we give credit to (science, psychology). [01:08:31] The value of philosophy in generating better questions. [01:10:06] Stephen’s future plans: possibly writing philosophical fiction. [01:19:05] Stephen’s billboard. [01:21:41] Recommendations for getting started with philosophy. [01:24:29] Gilles Deleuze and concepts as machines. [01:26:55] Why do we believe what we believe? [01:30:40] Stephen’s evolving relationship with religion after starting as a New Atheist. [01:32:33] Exploring mysticism and religious phenomenology. [01:37:51] Parting thoughts. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. 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This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest. Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, listeners suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end.  See it as a teaser. Something to whet your appetite. If you like what you hear, you can of course find the full episodes at tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=monthly-recap].  Please enjoy!  This episode is brought to you by 5-Bullet Friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/?utm_source=timblog&utm_medium=timblog&utm_campaign=podcast-sponsorship], my very own email newsletter. Timestamps: Craig Mod: 03:16 Ev Williams: 13:49 Richard Taylor: 23:57 Full episode titles: Craig Mod — The Real Japan, Cheap Apartments in Tokyo, Productive Side Quests, Creative Retreats, Buying Future Freedom, and Being Possessed by Spirits [https://tim.blog/2025/03/27/craig-mod/] Ev Williams — The Art of Pivoting (e.g., Odeo to Twitter), Strategic Quitting, The Dangers of Premature Scaling, Must-Read Books, and More [https://tim.blog/2025/03/20/ev-williams/] Richard Taylor and Greg Broadmore, Wētā Workshop — Untapping Creativity, Stories from The Lord of the Rings, The Magic of New Zealand, Four Tenets to Live By, and The Only Sentence of Self-Help You Need [https://tim.blog/2025/03/13/weta-workshop/] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

Rich Barton is the co-founder and co-executive chairman of Zillow [https://www.zillow.com/], a company transforming how people buy, sell, rent, and finance homes. Before Zillow, Rich founded Expedia within Microsoft in 1994 and successfully spun the company off as a public company in 1999. He served as president, CEO, and board director of Expedia and later co-founded and served as non-executive chairman of Glassdoor. 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[00:32:32] Pitching and recruiting team talent. [00:37:18] Degree design at Stanford. [00:39:45] Realizing the value of real work as a youth. [00:41:44] A fascination with Italy. [00:43:01] Selling Expedia to Barry Diller/IAC. [00:43:51] Dara Khosrowshahi’s role in Expedia’s acquisition. [00:45:23] From a post-Expedia sale sabbatical in Italy to the birth of Zillow with Lloyd Frink. [00:55:41] “Big pond, good fishermen” as business criteria. [00:56:50] Early Zillow mistakes. [01:00:05] The Zestimate: Zillow’s killer feature. [01:01:29] Making lemonade from the lemons of Zillow’s launch day server crash. [01:03:49] Rich’s provocation marketing playbook. [01:05:30] Regulatory battles and resistance to industry disruption. [01:10:44] Founding Glassdoor and its “give to get” data collection model. [01:12:58] Avvo and rating attorneys — legal challenges as marketing. [01:16:11] Digital marketplaces and Google disintermediation concerns. [01:19:52] How Rich names companies to be memorable. [01:25:28] Why Rich recommends leaving fear out of the provocation marketing equation. [01:26:48] Working with Benchmark Capital. [01:30:37] What serving on a board looks like and Rich’s membership criteria: “Is it local? Is it fun? Is it lucrative?” [01:39:00] Rich’s motivation and regimen for staying healthy in his 50s. [01:47:13] Cultivating leadership through absence — the two-week disconnected trip. [01:49:34] Building a good company by keeping good company. [01:51:42] Developing the skill to fire people as a win/win proposition. [01:54:41] Rich’s family tattoo design and symbolism. [01:57:29] Advice for balancing family and professional life. [02:01:08] The benefits of distributed workforces post-pandemic. [02:03:23] Recommended reading. [02:12:17] Rich’s billboard. [02:14:25] The importance of sabbaticals and disconnecting from digital devices. [02:17:41] Taking up Procreate digital art during COVID. 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Philip Goff [https://philipgoffphilosophy.com/] is a professor of philosophy at Durham University. His main research focus is consciousness, but he is interested in many questions about the nature of reality. He is most known for defending panpsychism, the view that consciousness is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of the physical world. He is the author of Galileo's Error: Foundations for a New Science of Consciousness [https://www.amazon.com/Galileos-Error-Foundations-Science-Consciousness/dp/0525564772/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20] and Why? The Purpose of the Universe [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198883765/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]. This episode is brought to you by: Our Place's Titanium Always Pan® Pro [https://fromourplace.com/tim] using nonstick technology that’s coating-free and made without PFAS, otherwise known as “Forever Chemicals”: https://fromourplace.com/tim [https://fromourplace.com/tim] (Get 10% off today!) AG1 [https://drinkag1.com/tim] all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://DrinkAG1.com/Tim [https://drinkag1.com/tim] (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.) Helix Sleep [https://helixsleep.com/tim] premium mattresses: https://HelixSleep.com/Tim [https://helixsleep.com/tim] (20% off on all mattress orders) Connect with Philip Goff: https://philipgoffphilosophy.com/ [https://philipgoffphilosophy.com/] https://x.com/Philip_Goff/ [https://x.com/Philip_Goff/] https://bsky.app/profile/philipgoff.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/philipgoff.bsky.social] Timestamps: [00:00:00] Start. [00:06:24] What is panpsychism? [00:11:19] Common misunderstandings about panpsychism. [00:16:08] Roger Penrose and quantum consciousness. [00:17:26] Gödel’s incompleteness theorem. [00:19:22] The challenges of scientific consensus on consciousness. [00:21:35] Integrated Information Theory (IIT). [00:27:17] What early quantum pioneers like Max Planck and Niels Bohr thought about consciousness. [00:33:15] Defining consciousness and qualia. [00:35:41] Galileo’s Error: How science removed consciousness from study. [00:41:03] Materialist vs. panpsychist. [00:43:30] The neuroanatomical seat of consciousness debate. [00:45:41] Scientific challenges around the public observation of consciousness. [00:50:35] Exploring potential payoffs and ethical considerations of figuring out consciousness. [00:57:01] How virtual reality reminded Philip to appreciate ordinary reality. [01:00:31] Bertrand Russell and William James as philosophical heroes. [01:02:05] Science seems mum on the matter of matter. [01:06:53] William James and mystical experiences. [01:09:20] Philip’s journey as a “heretical Christian.” [01:19:23] Why Philip left Christianity at age 14. [01:20:20] Rediscovering mystical traditions within Christianity. [01:31:41] Karen Armstrong on the modern corruption of religious belief. [01:33:56] Is true belief a prerequisite for building a community through religion and enjoying its therapeutic benefits? [01:48:40] Psychedelics and numinous experiences. [01:51:36] Sufism and mystical poetry. [01:56:10] Renaming traditional religious terms for broader accessibility. [02:01:09] The potential resurgence of religion and new spiritual movements. [02:05:42] Philip’s billboard. [02:08:36] Parting thoughts. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].