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This is a very special episode for me. My brand-new card game, COYOTE [https://coyotegame.com], created in collaboration with Elan Lee and Exploding Kittens, is here. It is available in ~8,000 locations worldwide, including Walmart, Target, Amazon, and many others. Learn more: https://coyotegame.com [https://coyotegame.com]. This episode is brought to you by: Gamma [https://gamma.app] AI design partner for effortless presentations, websites, social media posts, and more: https://gamma.app [https://gamma.app] (use code TIM at checkout for one month off on their annual plan) Shopify [https://shopify.com/tim] global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: https://shopify.com/tim [https://shopify.com/tim] (one-dollar-per-month trial period) Wealthfront [https://wealthfront.com/Tim] high-yield cash account: https://Wealthfront.com/Tim [https://wealthfront.com/Tim] (Start earning 4.00% APY on your short-term cash until you’re ready to invest. And when new clients open an account today, you can get an extra fifty-dollar bonus [https://wealthfront.com/Tim] with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more.) Terms apply. Tim Ferriss receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage, LLC for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of Wealthfront Brokerage. See full disclosures here [https://wealthfront.com/Tim]. Timestamps: [00:00:00] Start. [00:05:21] Coyote: a game 47 years in the making. [00:08:41] Who is Elan Lee? [00:09:37] How our motivations behind game creation intersect. [00:12:41] The nutshell view of pitching a game to a retailer. [00:14:40] Salesmanship is a learnable skill, but Elan’s a natural. [00:15:53] Why I’ve always wanted to make my own game and how development began in earnest. [00:26:00] First contact with Elan and our fast-forged, fun-focused friendship. [00:32:28] The Hanabi and Rock, Paper, Scissors-inspired Toronto trip breakthrough. [00:39:40] Early prototyping and testing. [00:45:34] The Zero Effect. [00:47:37] Recommended game design rationales, resources, and reading. [00:53:00] The beginner’s mind approach to writing effective game instructions. [00:56:26] A simple fact: less complication = more fun. [00:57:49] Cooperative vs. competitive play. [00:58:24] Leveling the playing field with attack cards and sabotage mechanics. [01:01:34] Tricking people into cognitively bettering themselves by gaming. [01:08:04] Finding the sweet spot. [01:10:44] It takes a lot of work to make a game effortlessly fun. [01:13:40] How many games does Exploding Kittens publish per year? [01:14:36] Exploding Kittens’ number-one seller was designed by Elan’s four-year-old daughter. [01:18:30] Prototypes and pitching. [01:22:26] Improving on the industry’s fundamentally flawed testing procedure. [01:24:58] Analyzing passing/failure with play testers’ video and feedback. [01:28:41] Risks of internal testing. [01:31:47] Coyote’s first positive signs from the wild. [01:34:22] Online vs. physical store sales and tweaking variables to gauge market interest. [01:41:22] What a successful line review looks like. [01:43:51] Line review hoops through which lesser-proven companies have to hop. [01:48:04] Elan’s field-tested line review meeting strategies. [01:54:15] The importance of finding proper agent representation. [01:59:35] In modern marketing, social media (especially short-form video) is king. [02:04:48] The best and worst ways for an aspiring designer to sell a game. [02:13:05] Crowdfunding pros and cons, and Kickstarter alternatives. [02:19:57] Dealing with deal terms. [02:23:56] The Exploding Kittens attitude toward rare partnerships. [02:25:45] The types of games that capture Elan’s attention. [02:27:40] Common game design mistakes. [02:29:49] How we tried to avoid these mistakes when packaging Coyote. [02:33:55] Self-publishing vs. conventional publishing. [02:38:40] Business considerations and risks. [02:44:59] Parting thoughts and a tantalizing offer. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. 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Elizabeth Gilbert is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Big Magic [https://www.amazon.com/Big-Magic-Creative-Living-Beyond/dp/1594634726/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=&linkCode=ll1&tag=offsitoftimfe-20&linkId=c5309feeac8c77184a32ce7951ab4e1d&language=en_US] and Eat, Pray, Love [https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Pray-Love-Everything-Indonesia/dp/0143038419/ref=as_li_ss_tl?dchild=1&keywords=Eat,+Pray,+Love&qid=1588920205&s=books&sr=1-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=offsitoftimfe-20&linkId=ccc521b2ea0874538324c34a6fc3e3b6&language=en_US] as well as several other international bestsellers. Her latest novel, City of Girls [https://www.amazon.com/City-Girls-Novel-Elizabeth-Gilbert/dp/1594634742/ref=as_li_ss_tl?dchild=1&keywords=City+of+Girls&qid=1588920178&s=books&sr=1-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=offsitoftimfe-20&linkId=65a55c6c97b9672c83ebdb934f2b0610&language=en_US], was named an instant New York Times bestseller. Go to ElizabethGilbert.Substack.com [https://elizabethgilbert.substack.com/] to subscribe to “Letters From Love with Elizabeth Gilbert [https://elizabethgilbert.substack.com/],” her newsletter, which has more than 120,000 subscribers. This episode was originally published in September 2024. Show notes and links: https://tim.blog/2024/09/26/elizabeth-gilbert-2/ [https://tim.blog/2024/09/26/elizabeth-gilbert-2/] Sponsors: Vanta [https://vanta.com/tim] trusted compliance and security platform: https://vanta.com/tim [https://vanta.com/tim] ($1000 off) Our Place's Titanium Always Pan® Pro [https://fromourplace.com/tim] using nonstick technology that’s coating-free and made without PFAS, otherwise known as “Forever Chemicals”: https://fromourplace.com/tim [https://fromourplace.com/tim] (Shop their sale now!) Shopify [https://shopify.com/tim] global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: https://shopify.com/tim [https://shopify.com/tim] (one-dollar-per-month trial period) Timestamps: [00:00:00] Who is Elizabeth Gilbert? [00:05:42] No cherished outcomes.   [00:10:55] Self-compassionate ownership of responsibility.   [00:15:52] The daily practice of writing letters from love.   [00:22:22] Two-way prayer vs. one-way prayer.   [00:30:57] The male approach to this practice.   [00:34:27] How do you feel toward yourself vs. about yourself?   [00:36:53] Understanding self-hatred to foster self-friendliness.   [00:43:20] Setting boundaries and dealing with those who refuse to honor them.   [00:50:15] Why (and how) Elizabeth avoids big family holiday gatherings.   [00:52:15] Comfort in solitude.   [00:53:38] Much abuzz about Elizabeth’s new ‘do.   [00:57:52] Boundaries, priorities, and mysticism: a relaxed woman as a radical concept.   [01:04:02] What mysticism brings to Elizabeth’s reality.   [01:07:26] A better question to ask than “What do I want?”   [01:09:32] Elizabeth’s hard-ass approach to project commitment.   [01:16:40] Creativity guidance from Elizabeth’s higher power.   [01:21:08] How *The Morning Pages* influenced *Eat, Pray, Love*.   [01:24:27] More productive questions to ask than “Why?”   [01:26:16] The pointlessness of purpose anxiety.   [01:30:59] Balancing presence with other aspects of a well-lived life.   [01:36:17] Comfort with mortality.   [01:40:21] What motivates Elizabeth’s *Letters from Love* newsletter?   [01:41:29] What can potential readers expect from this newsletter?   [01:46:33] “Is the universe friendly?” — Frederic W. H. Myers   [01:49:29] Parting thoughts.   * Show notes for this episode: https://tim.blog/2024/09/26/elizabeth-gilbert-2/ [https://tim.blog/2024/09/26/elizabeth-gilbert-2/] For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. Follow Tim: Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss [https://twitter.com/tferriss]  Instagram: instagram.com/timferriss [https://instagram.com/timferriss/] YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss [https://www.youtube.com/timferriss] Facebook: facebook.com/timferriss [https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/]  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferriss [http://linkedin.com/in/timferriss] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D. (@foundmyfitness [https://x.com/foundmyfitness]) is a biomedical scientist and the founder of FoundMyFitness [https://www.foundmyfitness.com/], a platform dedicated to delivering rigorous, evidence-based insights on improving healthspan and mitigating age-related diseases. Sponsors: Helix Sleep [https://helixsleep.com/tim] premium mattresses: https://HelixSleep.com/Tim [https://helixsleep.com/tim] (27% off all mattress orders) Momentous [https://livemomentous.com/tim] high-quality creatine and other supplements: https://livemomentous.com/tim [https://livemomentous.com/tim] (code TIM for up to 35% off) David Protein Bars [https://davidprotein.com/pages/tim] 28g of protein, 150 calories, and 0g of sugar: https://davidprotein.com/tim [https://davidprotein.com/tim] (Buy 4 cartons, get the 5th free.) Monarch Money [https://www.monarchmoney.com/?s=tim&promoCode=tim&utm_source=arm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=tim&utm_campaign_id=201847] track, budget, plan, and do more with your money: MonarchMoney.com/Tim [https://www.monarchmoney.com/?s=tim&promoCode=tim&utm_source=arm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=tim&utm_campaign_id=201847] (50% off your first year at monarchmoney.com with code TIM) Timestamps: [00:00:00] Start. [00:04:54] Dealing with aging parents and other topics on the table. [00:10:43] How a common multivitamin helps reverse cognitive and memory aging. [00:12:04] The importance of supplementation — especially as we age. [00:13:10] Effectively supplementing with omega-3 fish oil to counter APOE4 and Alzheimer's risks. [00:16:50] The CoQ10 and omega-3 protocol that has helped Rhonda's father manage Parkinson's symptoms for nearly a decade. [00:19:28] Sulforaphane: a potent NRF2 activator with an unexpected benefit for Rhonda's mother's tremors. [00:25:34] How Rhonda convinced her mom to start CrossFit and the power of community-based, senior-focused fitness. [00:26:52] The earlier the intervention, the better the outcomes. [00:32:25] Intermittent fasting vs. extended fasting and my own results. [00:44:31] Does fasting destroy muscle mass? Debunking the catabolism fear and understanding the crucial role of the re-feeding phase. [00:57:24] "Dirty" fasting: what really happens to autophagy and metabolic benefits when you add a splash of cream or MCT oil to your coffee? [01:00:44] VO2 max: the one metric that may predict lifespan more accurately than anything else, and how we work to improve it. [01:12:07] How a two-year exercise program reversed heart aging by 20 years in previously sedentary, middle-aged adults. [01:16:18] Lactate isn't the enemy: how vigorous exercise creates a superfuel that protects and grows the brain. [01:20:30] The optimal sauna protocol (temperature and frequency) for slashing dementia risk by 66%. [01:29:17] If you're human, you'll find a use for curcumin. [01:30:43] Creatine for cognition: moving beyond the gym with a powerful, science-backed tool for focus and combating sleep deprivation. [01:42:41] Still vitamin D deficient despite taking supplements? Here's the critical cofactor you're probably missing. [01:53:52] Shocking sources of microplastics in our daily lives, including chewing gum and teabags. [02:04:10] The uncomfortable truth about "moderate" alcohol consumption, cancer risk, and why the "sick quitter" hypothesis makes most older studies unreliable. [02:17:03] The ups and downs of ketamine and psilocybin on cognition and longevity. [02:24:19] Parting thoughts and where to find more from Rhonda. * Show notes for this episode: https://tim.blog/2025/07/24/dr-rhonda-patrick/ [https://tim.blog/2025/07/24/dr-rhonda-patrick/] For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. Follow Tim: Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss [https://twitter.com/tferriss]  Instagram: instagram.com/timferriss [https://instagram.com/timferriss/] YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss [https://www.youtube.com/timferriss] Facebook: facebook.com/timferriss [https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/]  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferriss [http://linkedin.com/in/timferriss] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

In this special episode, my friend—and fan-favorite guest—Dr. Peter Attia [https://peterattiamd.com] takes the mic as guest host. Peter sits down with legendary trader John Arnold [https://www.arnoldventures.org/people/laura-arnold-john-arnold], widely considered the greatest energy trader of all time. Today, through his foundation Arnold Ventures [https://www.arnoldventures.org/], John applies the same rigorous thinking to some of America’s toughest social challenges—criminal justice reform, healthcare policy, and K–12 education, to name just a few. This interview originally aired on Peter’s excellent podcast The Drive [https://peterattiamd.com/podcast/]. You can check it out at PeterAttiaMD.com [https://peterattiamd.com], or subscribe to The Drive wherever you get your podcasts. 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See full disclosures here [https://wealthfront.com/Tim]. Timestamps: [00:00:00] Start. [00:05:37] Peter Attia's intro: who is John Arnold? [00:08:38] John's background, upbringing, and early entrepreneurial tendencies. [00:21:16] John's time and rise at Enron. [00:33:40] Characteristics that made John an exceptional natural gas trader and how they translate to his philanthropic work. [00:41:10] The collapse of Enron. [00:46:46] The success of John's hedge fund, and his early interest in philanthropy. [01:02:03] The infamous 2006 trade that brought down Amaranth Advisors. [01:08:28] John's analytical prowess and emphasis on fundamentals. [01:15:13] The decision to become a full-time philanthropist and the founding of Arnold Ventures. [01:25:03] Education — John's quest to fundamentally change K-12 education. [01:30:36] Strategic philanthropy — preventing problems by attacking root causes and creating structural change. [01:37:50] The criminal justice system — structural changes needed to address mass incarceration, policing practices, and recidivism. [01:55:07] Re-imagining prisons to reduce recidivism. [02:02:27] US health care policy — John's focus on drug prices, and the severe consequences of not making system changes. [02:20:00] Climate change — the bipartisan role of John's foundation. [02:23:52] Advice for young adults interested in philanthropy. [02:30:52] Parting thoughts. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. 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Charlie Houpert is the co-founder of Charisma on Command [https://www.youtube.com/user/charismaoncommand], a company that helps people develop confidence, charisma, and strong social skills. Originally launched as a 4-Hour Workweek-inspired “muse,” it has since grown into one of the largest platforms for social skills and confidence training, with more than 10 million YouTube subscribers worldwide and more than a billion views across its channels in six languages. His flagship course, Charisma University [https://www.charismaoncommand.com/coc-charisma-university/], has guided more than 30,000 members through practical steps to become more magnetic. This episode is brought to you by: Patagonia [https://www.patagonia.com/tim]'s call-to-action to protect America's public lands. Go to Patagonia.com/Tim to learn more and act now [https://www.patagonia.com/tim]. 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[00:26:11] Charlie’s first blog post and crossing the publishing Rubicon. [00:28:26] How Charlie’s first in-person class prompted an accidental business model. [00:34:21] 10 go-getters make an ambitious move to Brazil. [00:32:14] The daily growth whiteboard system. [00:37:58] How a harsh Tucker Max consultation galvanized the rebranding to Charisma on Command. [00:44:39] From financial downturn to pre-selling a course for $12,500. [00:50:44] Finally making enough money to chase summer in six-to-eight-month increments. [00:52:00] Enjoying the sustainable benefits of creating timeless content. [00:54:05] How Bill Clinton seduced 7,000 people into following Charlie on YouTube. [00:55:46] How Greg McKeown’s Essentialism helped solve Charlie’s “Herbie” problem. [00:58:26] Evolving funnel flow and fame-jacking. [01:03:46] YouTube algorithm changes, short-form content, and maintaining audience trust for the long term. [01:10:58] Why I still create this podcast. [01:19:30] The dangers of succumbing entirely to audience expectation over authenticity. [01:21:42] The catalysts that led to time off, an ayahuasca retreat, and a seven-year transformation process. [01:30:26] Making the transition from 50/50 partner to sole owner. [01:35:16] Recommended reading: Six Pillars of Self-Esteem by Nathaniel Branden [01:37:32] The influence of The Last Psychiatrist blog. [01:41:46] Jay Abraham coaching: “Make it good enough for Tim Ferriss.” [01:43:52] How testimonials added a 4x conversion lift. [01:44:31] Coming to an agreement with the co-founder. [01:47:20] Joe Hudson and the Art of Accomplishment. [01:51:57] Why I stand by The 4-Hour Workweek without further revision, warts and all. [01:55:06] Exercising gratitude even when receiving praise is difficult. [01:59:15] Relationship with earlier work: video vs. writing. [02:02:05] Don’t miss “Filling the Void.” [02:03:56] More recommended reading. [02:06:43] Improv & Dragons. 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