The State Between Us

28. Class War and Counterinsurgency in Appalachia: The '84 Massey Coal Strike w/ Ashley Nguyen

From 1984 to '85, both sides of the Tug Fork river on the West Virginia / Kentucky border were occupied by private security forces, green berets, mercenaries, and other muscle for the bosses to terrorize striking coal miners under the UMWA. Historian Ashley Nguyen joins TSBU to explain how the tactics of class warfare that beset the Massey strikers were part of the larger global counterinsurgency terror that defined American imperialism during the Cold War. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod [https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod]Armed and ready on the picket... trench? "A European hired as a security guard monitors video cameras used as part of a surveillance system at a coal mine in Sidney, Ky. " SoF 1986 "The more it hurt, the stronger I got...": Shot miner interviewed in Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Soldier of Fortune (SoF), Sept. 1986. *Ep includes an interview clip with Nomonde Ngubo of the National Union of Mineworkers of South Africa, featured in the documentary Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Reading: Burton, Orisanmi. Tip of the spear : black radicalism, prison repression, and the long Attica revolt. UCP, Oakland, 2023. Camp, Jordan T. Incarcerating the Crisis: Freedom Struggles and the Rise of the Neoliberal State. UCP, 2016. Schrader, Stuart. Badges Without Borders: How Global Counterinsurgency Transformed American Policing. UCP, 2019. Cold open song: "The Black Eternal Night" by Widows of the Night. Subversives [https://youtu.be/3oAR0MbJBMw?si=3vyYWr9hhUt-e64I], Electric Fields, 2026. Intro song: Title unknown, performer unknown. Clipped from Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Outro song: "The Tale of the Dragon", unknown performer. > Linked here [https://appalshoparchive.org/Detail/objects/12178] < Also featuring music from koleso neštastia [https://kolesonestastia666.bandcamp.com/music] and pixabay.com [https://pixabay.com/]

27. May Day, 1950: When the USSR Invaded Wisconsin w/ Nick Graf

Researcher Nick Graf joins The State Between Us to talk about the strangest May Day celebration the Midwestern United States ever had. In 1950, the American Legion organized a "high-effort LARP", transforming the small town of Mosinee, Wisconsin into the avant-garde of the "United Soviet States of America", complete with borscht, detention camps, and mock executions on "Red Square". *note: Nick points out that he said the editor's name was "Bill Schweinler" when in fact it was "Francis Schweinler". Stay tuned to Nick's YT page [http://www.youtube.com/@nick_giraffe] to catch his coming documentary when it drops! Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod [https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod]

26. Lore Dump: Robert Welch, Revilo P. Oliver, and Willis Carto vs. Buckley's New Right

As Tucker Carlson splits the Right into weirder and more racist directions, TSBU examines a precedent to this contemporary moment occurring in the 1950s and '60s. William F. Buckley and his National Review cultivated a complex... 'frenemyship'?... with the hyper-conspiratorial N.A.M.-leader Robert Welch and his John Birch Society and the cringe-inducing fascist nerd, the classicist Revilo P. Oliver. This web of allyship and conflict opened a space for a return of classic racist and antisemitic activism with the rise of Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby which directly created William Luther Pierce's infamous National Alliance, and the decades of neonazi horror that followed it. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod [https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod] Music: Intro and Outro by the Chad Mitchell Trio Also featuring music from koleso neštastia [https://kolesonestastia666.bandcamp.com/music], pixabay.com [https://pixabay.com/], archive.org [https://archive.org/], and fesliyanstudios.com [https://fesliyanstudios.com/]

25. Revenge of the WASP pt. 1: The Tucker Diaries

25. Revenge of the WASP pt. 1: The Tucker Diaries Fritz fears the rise of the post-Trump right, arguing that a fashy new take on the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant with some worrying and familiar characteristics is on the rise, and begins an investigation into the Revenge of the WASP with a look at Tucker Carlson, his notable rise on the MAGA right, his weirdo mystical racist beliefs, and how those beliefs tie him to a movement of WASP revanchists, including the Vice President, who suggest a very dark future on the horizon. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] Photograph: Patrick T Fallon/AFP/Getty Images retrieved from theguardian.com Reading: *Barkun, Michael. Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. UNCP, Chapel Hill, 1996. *Gross, Michael. Flight of the WASP: The Rise, Fall, and Future of America's Original Ruling Class. Atlantic Monthly Press, 2023. *Schrag, Peter. The Decline of the WASP. Simon & Schuster, 1971. *Zengerle, Jason. Hated By All The Right People: Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling of the Conservative Mind. Crooked Media Reads, 2026. Music by koleso neštastia [https://kolesonestastia666.bandcamp.com/music] and Ramona as well as from pixabay.com [https://pixabay.com/] and fesliyanstudios.com [https://fesliyanstudios.com/]

24. Bircherized Trad-Cath Fash-Fic: AA-1025 [trailer]

[Trailer] Fritz analyzes a Trad-Cath classic, and is inspired to try his own hand at the genre. Written by a Carmelite nun in 1972, the novel AA-1025: The Memoirs of the Communist Infiltration into the Church, also known as The Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle, pretends to be the diaries of a Soviet sleeper agent deep within the Catholic Hierarchy. The Agent, a mysterious orphan raised in Poland, hatches a plan to create a godless one world church: the ultimate goal of the Evil Empire! It's pretty whacky, folks. Stick around for Fritz's own TradCathFashFicFanFic, AA-1312, at the end of the episode! Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] and on Bluesky @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬. Hit us up at thespacebetweenuspod@gmail.com [thespacebetweenuspod@gmail.com]! Trailer music by Ramona