Unlabeled Love

016 - Exploring the Unseen

McCartney and Violet discuss the internal struggle partners face when a spouse is a cross-dresser or gender expansive, prompted by a quote from Savannah Hauk’s book about mastering internal balance for peace of mind, body, and spirit. They describe challenges like redefining roles in a dual-gender relationship, balancing support with personal comfort, and communicating needs without guilt, especially around intimacy, attraction, and public presentation. They emphasize setting boundaries, moving at a manageable pace, acknowledging grief and anxiety, and avoiding shutdowns that can create hiding and resentment. They encourage honesty, curiosity, and seeking counseling, while reminding listeners that every situation is different and that the goal is personal peace alongside respectful negotiation. You can contact us: * email - unlabeled.love.journey@gmail.com * Instagram - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠UnlabeledLove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/unlabeledlove.podcast/] * Facebook - Violet S. Lee & McCartnie Rose Reference: Living with Crossdressing: Defining a New Normal [https://www.amazon.com/Living-Crossdressing-Defining-New-Normal-ebook/dp/B078K3GCJL/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.N4Olw-REd89zKdHXJl6eOjTspv4hXj1IFeigO53V0vahEiBKAfSAVs8_e8YC-ADPj2fuH4eIZLo4bbhCK-2SwbidDKNcPvySn8oF1cdfr91kMEiYEfrFAymF6OB51IhftLbbEgLF7OgjexDGdJeJ0CuuArArU_dl_uUFvYDVkNiz20xy8xPBdDUEbMmgYT4afriSx75PW0ngBdOWH9_2s9_og_rqnsFpa7dI-lkbaAk.Tm8cMyDFgOnoKzmMq3uPmjFOI8QMCXYPuoQEPXHwqpw&dib_tag=se&keywords=savannah+hauk&qid=1780589017&sr=8-1]by Savannah Hauk [https://www.amazon.com/Savannah-Hauk/e/B082L24PHW?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1780589017&sr=8-1] and Judith Swain Living with Crossdressing: Discovering Your True Identity [https://www.amazon.com/Living-Crossdressing-Discovering-Your-Identity/dp/0991470273/ref=sr_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.N4Olw-REd89zKdHXJl6eOjTspv4hXj1IFeigO53V0vahEiBKAfSAVs8_e8YC-ADPj2fuH4eIZLo4bbhCK-2SwbidDKNcPvySn8oF1cdfr91kMEiYEfrFAymF6OB51IhftLbbEgLF7OgjexDGdJeJ0CuuArArU_dl_uUFvYDVkNiz20xy8xPBdDUEbMmgYT4afriSx75PW0ngBdOWH9_2s9_og_rqnsFpa7dI-lkbaAk.Tm8cMyDFgOnoKzmMq3uPmjFOI8QMCXYPuoQEPXHwqpw&dib_tag=se&keywords=savannah+hauk&qid=1780589017&sr=8-2] by Savannah Hauk [https://www.amazon.com/Savannah-Hauk/e/B082L24PHW?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1780589017&sr=8-2]  Gender 101: An A-Z Handbook & Exploration [https://www.amazon.com/Gender-101-Z-Handbook-Exploration-ebook/dp/B0CZW8R64V/ref=sr_1_3?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.N4Olw-REd89zKdHXJl6eOjTspv4hXj1IFeigO53V0vahEiBKAfSAVs8_e8YC-ADPj2fuH4eIZLo4bbhCK-2SwbidDKNcPvySn8oF1cdfr91kMEiYEfrFAymF6OB51IhftLbbEgLF7OgjexDGdJeJ0CuuArArU_dl_uUFvYDVkNiz20xy8xPBdDUEbMmgYT4afriSx75PW0ngBdOWH9_2s9_og_rqnsFpa7dI-lkbaAk.Tm8cMyDFgOnoKzmMq3uPmjFOI8QMCXYPuoQEPXHwqpw&dib_tag=se&keywords=savannah+hauk&qid=1780589017&sr=8-3] by Savannah Hauk [https://www.amazon.com/Savannah-Hauk/e/B082L24PHW?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3&qid=1780589017&sr=8-3] and Selva Dragani

015 Evolution of "I'm ok with it"

Violet and McCartney discuss what it really means when a spouse says they are “okay” with a cross-dressing or gender-expansive partner. Violet shares how her own “I’m okay” evolved and describes how a communication breakdown led to feelings of betrayal. They encourage baby steps, honesty without passive aggression, considering therapy, and recognizing that while couples should try to work through it together, it’s also valid to leave if it remains incompatible. You can contact us: * email - unlabeled.love.journey@gmail.com * Instagram - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠UnlabeledLove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/unlabeledlove.podcast/] * Facebook - Violet S. Lee & McCartnie Rose

014 From Keystone with Love

McCartney and Violet reflect on seeing each other again at the Keystone conference, where they met listeners. They describe Keystone highlights, including workshops, the significant-other lunch, vending on the main floor, and their shared goal of helping spouses of gender-expansive partners feel less alone and more supported. McCartney and Deanne hosted a travel workshop about traveling in femme. They also share social moments like dinners, the gala, and dancing. You can contact us: * email - unlabeled.love.journey@gmail.com * Instagram - ⁠⁠⁠⁠UnlabeledLove⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/unlabeledlove.podcast/] * Facebook - Violet S. Lee & McCartnie Rose

013 Culture and Traditions Part 2

Violet and McCartney continue a discussion on how culture and traditions shape reactions to gender expression for partners of gender-expansive people. They describe historical and cultural examples that challenge Western norms and distinguish gender identity from biological sex. The conversation highlights double standards that allow women to adopt masculine clothing more freely than men adopting feminine presentation. They encourage significant others to examine beliefs, keep open dialogue, and remember it is the same person regardless of presentation. You can contact us: * email - unlabeled.love.journey@gmail.com * Instagram - ⁠⁠⁠UnlabeledLove⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/unlabeledlove.podcast/] * Facebook - Violet S. Lee & McCartnie Rose

012 Culture and Traditions Part 1

Violet and McCartney begin a discussion on traditions and gender norms, prompted by a passage from Peggy Rude’s My Husband Wears My Clothes about rigid conditioning around what men and women “should” do. Violet reflects on initial fear and hesitation when Katrina wanted to go out in public, realizing the reaction centered on social expectations and personal embarrassment rather than Katrina’s needs. They compare historical and cultural examples of shifting gendered clothing and labor roles, changing color norms like pink for men, and discuss stereotypes that still sharply separate “male” and “female” traits. You can contact us: * email - unlabeled.love.journey@gmail.com * Instagram - ⁠⁠UnlabeledLove⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/unlabeledlove.podcast/] * Facebook - Violet S. Lee & McCartnie Rose