The Privacy Insider Podcast

We thought 2024 was the busiest year in privacy. Well, 2025 is already gearing up to take that title. What do we think is in store? What does 2025 have in store for privacy? From evolving regulations and AI governance to building consumer trust, privacy pros face new challenges at every turn. Today, Jodi Daniels joins host Arlo Gilbert as they take a look back at 2024 and then into the crystal ball for 2025 for their predictions on what’s next. If you care about evolving regulations, AI, how the role of privacy will change and (maybe a few Taylor Swift predictions), you don’t want to miss it. As the Founder and CEO of Red Clover Advisors, Jodi Daniels brings over 25 years of expertise in privacy compliance, strategy, digital marketing, and online behavioral targeting. At Red Clover, Jodi and her team help clients integrate data privacy strategy and compliance into a flexible, scalable approach that simplifies complex privacy challenges. . Jodi is also a national keynote speaker and the best-selling author of Data Reimagined: Building Trust One Byte at a Time. Additionally, she serves as a faculty member at IANS and co-hosts the weekly She Said Privacy / He Said Security podcast with her husband, Justin Daniels. Episode Highlights * [06:37] - Best and Worse Privacy Practices * [10:07] - What 2024 Taught Us About Privacy Laws * [13:53] - Predictions for 2025 Privacy Regulations * [18:08] - Enforcement Trends and Consumer Complaints * [26:19] - Australia’s Bold Privacy Move * [32:43] - Will AI Laws Shape or Shatter 2025? * [41:10] - Why Google’s Privacy Teams Are Decentralizing * [46:11] - The Future of Privacy Leadership * [48:02] - Will Privacy Laws Catch Up to AI by 2025? Quotes * “No one wants to be tricked or fooled. If data is used in a way that makes customers feel that way, it’s a loss for everybody.” * “One of the pieces of advice that we find to be successful is when people speak in the language of who they're speaking to and not on their own.” * “I think, globally, we will continue to see the trend of modernizing privacy laws in different countries like Australia.” * “We're seeing a lot of privacy pros be significant participants in AI governance, AI assessments, AI processes, AI policies, AI approval, AI everything.” Episode Resources * Jodi Daniels on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodihoffmandaniels/] * Red Clover Advisors Website [https://redcloveradvisors.com/] * IANS Website [https://www.iansresearch.com/] * She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/she-said-privacy-he-said-security/id1536859760] * Osano Website [https://www.osano.com/] Hosted by Arlo Gilbert, author of The Privacy Insider Book [https://www.osano.com/l/the-privacy-insider]. The Privacy Insider Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so [https://fame.so/?utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=bcast&utm_campaign=nonprofit-connect-with-matt-barnes].

What does theology have to do with AI? A lot: Theological principles can guide values and ethics, and quite frankly, we need to be sure we have some around coexisting with AI. The ethical use of technology has always been a subject for debate (including around personal privacy and the digital age). But AI brings a whole new layer of ethical consideration–and existential crisis–for human beings. Technologist and theological scholar Dr. Michael Hemenway joins us to discuss the ethical implications of AI and how we can all guide responsible innovation and create space for both AI and humanity.   Dr. Michael Hemenway serves as the Director of Design and Data Science at the Association of Theological Schools. His expertise spans data integration, natural language processing, organizational and instructional design, and ethical AI development. He was co-founder of the Experimental Humanities Lab and the Artificial Intelligence Institute at the Iliff School of Theology.  Episode Highlights: * [14:52] - What Do AI Ethics and Ancient Texts Have in Common? * [19:35] - Ethics vs. Values in AI * [25:54] - Are We Outsourcing Our Humanity to AI? * [40:10] - What History Teaches Us About Regulating AI * [50:18] - Should We Fear AI or Learn to Work With It? * [54:39] - What Every Privacy Professional Must Know About AI Tools * [01:03:11] - A Better Way to Understand Online Privacy Risks Quotes: * "TRUST, for us, means transparency, responsibility, user-centeredness, sustainability, and team." * "In our practice, ethics leans more toward putting values into practice, especially in decision-making." * "I don't think regulation comes first. I think regulation supports the values of a society that then drives the ethical framework guiding decision-making." * "As we see generative AI have creative capacities, we say, What is it then that makes humans and not machines or something else? AI has made this question more pertinent than it has been in the past, and that's one of the reasons I think this technological movement is different from earlier technological movements. They all pose a threat in some way to how we relate to the world. But this one is particularly tense because it's challenging that thing we thought made us exceptional." * “I don't see AI becoming something so different from what we've experienced before that we need to have a radically different approach to how we engage this as a society. There are new things emerging. We need to pay attention to that newness. We need to build capacities as broadly as we can for folks to be able to use and engage these technologies and to have a voice in how they're gonna be developed in the future.” Episode Resources: * Dr. Michael Hemenway on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-hemenway-06450515b/] * The Association of Theological Schools Website [https://www.ats.edu/] * Case Western Reserve University Website [https://case.edu/] * Osano Website [https://www.osano.com/] Hosted by Arlo Gilbert, author of The Privacy Insider Book [https://www.osano.com/l/the-privacy-insider]. The Privacy Insider Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so [https://fame.so/?utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=bcast&utm_campaign=nonprofit-connect-with-matt-barnes].

There’s a U.S. election coming up in a few weeks. You may have heard something about it. What you haven’t heard as much about in this election cycle is the candidates’ stance on privacy. Why? And will privacy views and policies change depending on who takes office? This week, Georgia Tech Professor Peter Swire, a privacy and data policy advisor in both the Clinton and Obama Administrations, joins host Arlo Gilbert this week to talk about how privacy figures into gun control, abortion, and other hot-button issues, and to share his regulatory insight on everything from AI to Crypto.  With a career spanning over three decades, Peter Swire has served at the highest levels of government, including as Chief Counselor for Privacy under President Clinton and a key member of President Obama’s Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technology. You might say he’s something of an authority on privacy. He is currently the J.Z. Liang Professor of Privacy and Cybersecurity at Georgia Tech, and Research Director of the Cross-Border Data Forum.  Episode Highlights: [03:16] - Bipartisan Support for Privacy Legislation [04:58] - The Complexity of Privacy Legislation [10:37] - Abortion Rights and Medical Privacy Clash [14:09] - AI’s Rapid Evolution and Regulatory Challenges [21:43] - The Paradox of Crypto: Freedom vs. Safety [28:15] - The Intersection of Government and Industry Surveillance Quotes: * "Both candidates have expressed support for general federal privacy law... There should be access to people’s data, people should be able to correct their data, and there should be some choice before it gets sold to third parties." * "This is where abortion politics and privacy get mixed up together because we have some states like Texas who are taking vigorous efforts to try to block abortions, and other states... that are taking vigorous efforts to protect the right for a woman to have an abortion." * "This AI explosion reminds me of the internet explosion in the 90s... It seems like we’re in a somewhat comparable rate of change right now when it comes to AI." * “When you think about this libertarian ideal that tends to be the undercurrent in cryptocurrency, it’s a very seductive argument... But I come back to this question of, well, don’t we want government oversight of our money?" * "We can’t do modern cybersecurity without pervasive encryption in a hundred thousand different ways. So I’m a huge lover of encryption... But I’m not on the side of cryptocurrencies because my experience in banking regulation is, they lack essential safeguards and they’re a recipe for scams." Episode Resources * Peter Swire on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-swire-68731759/] * Georgia Institute of Technology Website [https://www.linkedin.com/school/georgia-institute-of-technology/] Osano Website [https://www.osano.com/] Hosted by Arlo Gilbert, author of The Privacy Insider Book [https://www.osano.com/l/the-privacy-insider]. The Privacy Insider Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so [https://fame.so/?utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=bcast&utm_campaign=nonprofit-connect-with-matt-barnes].

If you’re in the privacy industry, you know Max Schrems: Renowned privacy rights advocate and the David who took on Facebook’s Goliath to shine a light on the misuse of consumer data. But that’s just one facet of what he does. In this episode, Max talks to Arlo Gilbert about Facebook, Amazon, and Google, whether or not you can file a class action in Europe, and how somebody became so passionate about privacy that they ended up changing the world. Max is an Austrian activist, lawyer, and author whose legal challenges alleging privacy law violations in Europe resulted in two landmark judgments (Schrems I and Schrems II) that help protect individuals’ personal data. Today, as the Founder and Chairman of noyb, Max and his team are committed to bridging the gap between privacy laws and corporate practices to strengthen protection of individuals’ personal data. This is Part II of a two-part series. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify; instructions on how to do this are here [https://www.fame.so/follow-rate-review]. Episode Highlights: * [00:30] - Will the US and EU Find Common Ground in Data Privacy? * [11:21] - Why American Companies Are Embracing GDPR * [17:04] - Tech Giants in Court * [21:38] - How EU’s New Law Causes Emotional Damage for Privacy Violations * [29:35] - Whose Job Is to Protect Your Data? Quotes: * “The really interesting part when it comes to government surveillance is that we need convergence and a so-called "no-spy" agreement.” * “I often get asked in interviews like, What do you think Mark Zuckerberg thinks about? I have never thought about anything like the CEO of the company. It's not my way of thinking about stuff. It's more like, What does the privacy policy really say? What does the data flow say? Do they match or not? That's what our approach is, and that usually makes it quite nice and easy.” * “If you say all your data is on the dark web, how much money would you be willing to pay? Or, how much are you willing that all your data doesn't go to the NSA in the end? We could probably set a fair market price for these violations, but a lot of judges will have to figure that out in the next couple of years and will probably have some sweat going down to think about what that really is, especially if you then multiplied with 100 million people.” * “The digital compliance world has to think about how to build a system where, on average, people can trust us and be sure that the products and services we provide are generally up to the level that they expect from it and that we don't shift the responsibility to it.” Episode Resources: * David, Goliath, and Data Privacy Part I: Max Schrems [https://theprivacyinsiderpod.com/e/183mm9q8-david-goliath-and-data-privacy-part-i-max-schrems] * Max Schrems on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-schrems/?originalSubdomain=at] * noyb Website [https://www.linkedin.com/company/noybeu/] * Osano Website [https://www.osano.com/] Hosted by Arlo Gilbert, author of The Privacy Insider Book [https://www.osano.com/l/the-privacy-insider]. The Privacy Insider Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so [https://fame.so/?utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=bcast&utm_campaign=nonprofit-connect-with-matt-barnes].

If you’re in the privacy industry, you know Max Schrems: Renowned privacy rights advocate and the David who took on Facebook’s Goliath to shine a light on the misuse of consumer data. But that’s just one facet of what he does. In this episode, Max talks to Arlo Gilbert about his organization noyb, the often-unglamorous work of protecting privacy rights, and how the Florida educational system kicked off a lifelong passion for privacy. Max is an Austrian activist, lawyer, and author whose legal challenges alleging privacy law violations in Europe resulted in two landmark judgments (Schrems I and Schrems II) that help protect individuals’ personal data. Today, as the Founder and Chairman of noyb, Max and his team are committed to bridging the gap between privacy laws and corporate practices to strengthen protection of individuals’ personal data. This is Part I of a two-part series. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify; instructions on how to do this are here [https://www.fame.so/follow-rate-review]. Episode Highlights: * [01:33] - How noyb Is Fighting 800 Cases * [07:35] - Taking on Tech Giants and Winning * [15:33] - The Dark Side of Data Rights * [21:06] - Are Cookie Banners a Necessary Evil or Outdated Annoyance? * [29:17] - Why Privacy Watchdogs Avoid Taking on Governments * [32:25] - How Culture Shock Ignited Max's Fight Against Big Tech Quotes: * “I'm usually the biggest devil's advocate within the organization to ask people all the evil questions that they don't want to be asked. But it usually also increases the quality of what we do a lot.” * “When it comes to funding and being obviously always the smaller underdog, once you have the quality, I usually tell people that if you look at this David versus Goliath thing, you have to be that David who knows where is the point where it hurts, where is the right angle of attack.” * “I think what is useful for companies is to think more about what my customers actually want, how I can make the journey as easy for people as possible, how not to have more friction, and how not to get in a fight with a customer.” * “The way I look at consent, at least for the European bubble, it's a fundamental right. So you have a right to your data as a fundamental right, like your freedom of speech or your right to bodily integrity.” * “I think privacy, first of all, is a hugely cultural thing. What is private and not is different in different cultures.” EPISODE RESOURCES: * Max Schrems on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-schrems/?originalSubdomain=at] * noyb Website [https://www.linkedin.com/company/noybeu/] * Osano Website [https://www.osano.com/] Hosted by Arlo Gilbert, author of The Privacy Insider Book [https://www.osano.com/l/the-privacy-insider]. The Privacy Insider Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so [https://fame.so/?utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=bcast&utm_campaign=nonprofit-connect-with-matt-barnes].