The Palumbo Podcast: Your journey to a work optional lifestyle

7 Ways to Build a More Valuable Business Before You Sell

Many business owners spend decades building a successful company, yet very few prepare for the moment when someone wants to buy it. In this episode of The Palumbo Podcast, Philip Palumbo sits down with Alan Scharfstein, Founder and CEO of The DAK Group, to discuss how entrepreneurs can maximize the value of their business long before they decide to sell. Drawing on more than four decades of experience advising middle-market business owners, Alan explains why becoming "exit ready" isn't about planning for retirement. It's about building a stronger, more valuable company every day. The conversation also explores why many owners wait too long to prepare, what private equity firms are really looking for, and why strategic buyers often pay dramatically higher multiples than financial buyers. Whether you're planning to sell in two years or twenty, this episode provides practical guidance for building a business that's attractive to buyers while creating more options for your future. Key Topics * Why every business owner should always be exit ready, even if selling is years away * How customer concentration and supplier dependency affect buyer risk * Why preparing for an exit should start several years before selling * What strategic buyers value that financial buyers often don't * How private equity firms evaluate acquisition opportunities * Why founders should perform due diligence on buyers before accepting an offer Website: https://dakgroup.com/about-us/our-team/alan-scharfstein/ [https://dakgroup.com/about-us/our-team/alan-scharfstein/] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-scharfstein-0350ba31 [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-scharfstein-0350ba31] Host Links Website: https://palumbowm.com/ [https://palumbowm.com/] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/palumbowm/ [https://www.instagram.com/palumbowm/]

How REITs Build Passive Income and Wealth

Many investors dream of building wealth through real estate, but few want the headaches of managing tenants, repairs, financing, and maintenance. In this episode, Philip Palumbo sits down with David Auerbach, Chief Investment Officer of Hoya Capital, to explain why Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs) have become one of the most overlooked income-producing investments available today. David explains how REITs work, why they distribute most of their earnings as dividends, and how investors can own some of the world's highest-quality commercial real estate with just a few dollars. Philip and David compare owning rental properties versus investing in publicly traded REITs, discussing leverage, tax treatment, dividend income, liquidity, appreciation potential, and long-term wealth creation. The conversation also explores how REIT ETFs provide diversification across multiple real estate sectors while eliminating many of the responsibilities associated with property ownership. With interest rates, inflation, and commercial real estate dominating headlines, David explains why many publicly traded REITs may be entering a stronger investment environment. He discusses dividend growth, merger activity, cap rates, financing conditions, and why long-term investors should understand the opportunities that exist across different REIT sectors. Whether you're building an income portfolio, investing for retirement, or looking for real estate exposure without becoming a landlord, this episode provides a practical framework for evaluating REIT investments. Key Points 1. Learn how REITs generate passive income through commercial real estate ownership. 2. Understand the biggest differences between owning rental property and investing in REITs. 3. Why dividend growth matters more than short-term stock price movements. 4. How REIT ETFs provide diversification across multiple real estate sectors. 5. Why interest rates have a significant impact on REIT valuations. 6. How commercial real estate cash flow supports long-term dividend income. 7. Why publicly traded REITs offer greater liquidity than private real estate investments. 8. How dividend reinvestment can accelerate long-term wealth building. 9. What investors should understand about REIT taxation and ordinary income. 10. Why today's REIT market could present attractive long-term opportunities. David Auerbach is the Chief Investment Officer of Hoya Capital Real Estate and publisher of the widely followed Daily REITBeat newsletter. With nearly 25 years of experience analyzing publicly traded real estate securities, he specializes in REIT investing, dividend strategies, and commercial real estate markets. Guest links Website: https://www.hoyacapital.com/executive-team [https://www.hoyacapital.com/executive-team] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-auerbach/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-auerbach/] Connect with Phil Website: https://palumbowm.com/ [https://palumbowm.com/] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/palumbowm/ [https://www.instagram.com/palumbowm/] If you enjoyed this conversation, follow The Palumbo Podcast for more interviews with successful investors, entrepreneurs, and financial experts sharing practical strategies for building long-term wealth.

Why Smart Money Stays Bullish

Markets feel uncertain, but some of the sharpest minds in investing still see opportunity ahead. In this episode of The Phil Palumbo Podcast, Phil sits down with macro strategist Jack Janasiewicz to break down inflation, interest rates, recession fears, AI, commodities, and where the smartest capital is positioning right now. Jack shares why he believes equities can keep climbing, what the Fed may do next, and the biggest risks investors should actually be watching. Inside this episode: * Why recession fears may be overblown * How AI spending could fuel the next bull market * The truth about rates, inflation, and affordability * Where opportunities may exist in equities, commodities, and financials If you want clear thinking in a noisy market, this conversation is for you.

How to Break Through Business Growth Plateaus with Matthew Pohl

Why do so many businesses hit a ceiling just when things start working—and what separates the ones that break through from the ones that stall? Matthew Pohl shares a framework that turns business complexity into predictable growth. Matthew Pohl, Founder & CEO of The ReWild Group, joins Philip Palumbo to break down what actually causes businesses to stall—and how to move past it using a stage-based approach to growth. After building, scaling, and ultimately selling his own company at a significantly higher valuation than expected, Matthew discovered a simple but powerful truth: most business owners aren’t stuck because they lack effort—they’re stuck because they’re using the wrong systems for the stage they’re in. What Causes Business Growth Plateaus? Most entrepreneurs assume more effort equals more growth. Matthew explains why that mindset eventually breaks down. As businesses scale, complexity—not effort—becomes the real constraint. He introduces the idea of “organizational rewilding,” a way of diagnosing what stage your business is actually in and aligning leadership, structure, and systems accordingly. Why Growth Stops (Even When Sales Don’t) Matthew shares how businesses often confuse revenue growth with true organizational health. Without the right structure in place, growth creates friction instead of momentum. He also breaks down the hidden indicators that signal when a business has outgrown its current operating model. Building Businesses That Scale Intentionally From employee count and complexity curves to owner-centric vs. enterprise-centric thinking, Matthew outlines how leaders can redesign their business to scale without burning out. This episode is for founders, operators, and leaders who feel like they’re pushing harder but getting less return—and want a clearer way forward. KEY TAKEAWAYS How to identify the exact stage your business is operating in before making strategic changes. Why employee count is often a stronger indicator of business complexity than revenue. How to recognize when your business systems are creating friction instead of growth. Why most growth plateaus are caused by misaligned structure, not lack of effort. How to shift from owner-centric decision-making to enterprise-centric leadership. What “organizational rewilding” means and how it applies to modern business scaling. How to diagnose hidden bottlenecks that don’t show up in financial reports. Why adding more sales without structural change can actually slow a business down. How stage-based growth thinking simplifies decision-making under complexity. How successful founders redesign roles, systems, and leadership as they scale. GUEST BIO Matthew Pohl is the Founder & CEO of The ReWild Group, a company focused on helping business owners scale using stage-based organizational growth frameworks. After building and selling his own business at a significantly higher valuation than expected, he now teaches leaders how to navigate complexity and scale intentionally. GUEST LINKS Website: https://www.rewildgroup.com/matthew-pohl-bio [https://www.rewildgroup.com/matthew-pohl-bio?utm_source=chatgpt.com] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@rewildgroup [https://www.youtube.com/@rewildgroup] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewepohl/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewepohl/] HOST LINKS Website: https://palumbowm.com/ [https://palumbowm.com/] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/palumbowm/ [https://www.instagram.com/palumbowm/]

Why Relationships Build Billionaires

Success in real estate is not just about properties. It is about people, timing, and building systems that scale. In this episode of The Palumbo Podcast, Phil sits down with Anthony Scavo, President and Managing Partner of Basis Industrial, to break down how he helped grow the company from a small operation into a 7 million square foot industrial real estate powerhouse. Anthony shares the lessons he learned working alongside billionaire real estate families, why operations and relationships matter more than most founders realize, and how Basis Industrial is positioning itself for a massive future exit. Anthony also opens up about making the leap from employee to entrepreneur in his mid-40s, the realities of scaling a company with thousands of tenants, and why today’s real estate market still offers huge opportunities for patient investors. In this episode, you’ll learn: * Why communication and relationships drive business growth * How industrial real estate creates long-term wealth * The mindset behind scaling toward a billion-dollar exit If you want to understand how real estate empires are truly built, this conversation delivers an inside look from someone doing it in real time.