The Payments Experts Podcast

Your Business Is Probably Overpaying - Learn Why | AI-Powered Cost Audits with Bill Kurtzner PEP115

What if the fastest way to grow your business isn't increasing sales, but eliminating the hidden costs you're already paying? In this episode of the Payments Experts Podcast, hosts Christopher Dryden and Jeremy Stock sit down with Bill Kurtzner with Cost Savings (https://costsavings.com/) to explore how artificial intelligence is transforming cost management for businesses while creating entirely new revenue opportunities for payment professionals, ISOs, and fintech companies. We dive into how AI can analyze utility bills, waste removal, telecommunications, and other recurring business expenses to uncover hidden savings in minutes. Along the way, we discuss why many companies continue overpaying because of evergreen contracts, automatic price increases, and fees that often go unnoticed for years. The conversation also looks beyond payment processing, examining how value-added services, employee savings platforms, embedded finance, payroll, lending, and AI-powered business tools are helping payment organizations strengthen merchant relationships and build recurring revenue that extends far beyond traditional processing. Whether you're an ISO, merchant services professional, fintech executive, entrepreneur, or business owner, you'll gain practical insights into reducing expenses, improving profitability, leveraging AI to create competitive advantages, and delivering greater value to your customers. Topics include: •AI-powered business cost reduction •Hidden fees and contract escalations •Employee savings and retention strategies •Embedded finance and recurring revenue •The future of merchant services beyond payment processing If you're looking for practical ways to help businesses save money while building stronger, longer-lasting customer relationships, this episode is packed with actionable insights you can apply today. **Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice.  All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.** PEP Links: https://www.globallegallawfirm.com/podcasts/ A payments podcast of Global Legal Law Firm

Merchant of Record: The Compliance Model Everyone In Payments Is Talking About And Why | PEP114

“Merchant of record” sounds official. The problem: card networks don’t even define it the same way. That ambiguity can get businesses shut down overnight. Want the bright line between MOR, PayFac, and PayFac Light? California can be the place where fast-growing commerce companies learn an expensive lesson: states are no longer “too busy” to chase remote sellers, platforms, and cross-border transactions. We talk through how post-COVID enforcement changed the game, why the California Franchise Tax Board is viewed as uniquely aggressive, and how seemingly small registration triggers can spiral into back taxes, penalties, and years of exposure. From there, we zoom into the payments industry’s most misunderstood label: merchant of record. Christopher Dryden, Esq., and Jeremy Stock talk with Matthew Steinbrecher of Sound Commerce (https://sound-commerce.com/) explaining why “MOR” often isn’t clearly defined in scheme rules, how Visa and MasterCard treat similar behavior differently by market, and why that ambiguity creates real business risk. We break down the practical differences between a true payment facilitator (PayFac), PayFac Light models powered by a single acquiring rail, and MOR-style setups that require disclosure at checkout, customer support, and a clear party responsible for the transaction. • why states start treating tax enforcement as a revenue generator • how California registration can be triggered by surprisingly low thresholds • how a forum selection clause and a lawsuit can force registration and scrutiny • why “merchant of record” often lacks a consistent definition in network rules • the difference between a true PayFac, PayFac Light, aggregator, and marketplace behavior • what Visa and MasterCard care about most: disclosure and a clear support path for shoppers • how indirect sales tax and economic nexus risk shifts when you act as the merchant • how to hedge operational risk when relying on a merchant of record • why POS and embedded payments stacks keep growing despite the premium cost We also get tactical about risk mitigation. If you’re a merchant relying on a merchant of record, a shutdown can hit revenue overnight. If you’re building embedded payments, POS software, or a platform business model, consolidation can be powerful, but it concentrates compliance and operational responsibility. We close with a look at where fraud and risk controls may head next as AI and agentic commerce reshape how transactions happen. California’s Franchise Tax Board may be more aggressive than the IRS. If you sell online or run SaaS, a tiny trigger can force registration and taxes. Are you accidentally “doing business” in CA right now? What if one bad actor changes the rules for everyone? A fraud case pushed MasterCard to pressure acquirers to “nuke” noncompliant models. If you build embedded payments or platforms, are you prepared for a sudden crackdown?  **Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice. All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.**  PEP Links:  https://www.globallegallawfirm.com/podcasts/  A payments podcast of Global Legal Law Firm

The Biggest Opportunity in Payments 2026: Why Distribution May Be Your Last True Advantage | PEP113

What if the real moat isn’t your software, but your distribution? James Shepherd breaks down why vertical SaaS is exploding in payments and why agents can win if they bring the right solutions to market. AI is not your new coworker. It is a high powered math engine that rewards clear thinking, good inputs, and enough compute, and it punishes shortcuts. Christopher Dryden, Esq., sits down to talk with CCSalesPro legend James Shepherd (https://www.ccsalespro.com/) to get real about why so many teams feel disappointed by AI, then zoom in on what actually changes outcomes: using stronger models, giving tasks time to run, and feeding AI the right context instead of hoping the free tier will solve complex problems. • AI as a computer driven system that reflects your inputs • why using a free model often guarantees weak results • James’s shift from agent training into building software companies with payments baked in • the problem of agents getting locked out of best in class vertical software • how CC Storage found traction in self-storage through timing, recurring billing, and a frictionless pricing model • what “vertical sales mastery” looks like for agents picking profitable niches • why vertical knowledge matters more than coding as AI accelerates development • MCP servers and giving AI read access to core business data for better decisions • why AI boosts productivity now but rarely replaces humans end to end • distribution, relationships, and reputation as the lasting moat when software gets copied faster From there, we connect AI to the bigger shift in the payments industry: merchants do not just buy payment processing anymore, they buy software that runs the business. James shares how his work evolved from CC Sales Pro training into building vertical SaaS companies with integrated payments, and why agents often get stuck selling second tier tools while the best platforms block distribution. We walk through the self-storage case study behind CC Storage, what makes that vertical more complex than it looks, and how a “free software” approach paired with dual pricing can unlock adoption and create real residual income for the agent channel. AI isn’t “smart” by default. If you treat it like magic, you’ll get garbage back. We talk models, compute power, and the workflow that turns AI into real leverage for payments teams. We also go deep on operational AI, including the idea of an MCP server that lets tools like Claude or ChatGPT analyze your database, calendar, Drive, and email to surface trends, priorities, and blind spots. Finally, we tackle the uncomfortable truth about intellectual property and software: as building gets cheaper, differentiation shrinks, and distribution becomes the moat. If you sell merchant services, run an ISO, or build integrated payments into vertical software, this conversation is your roadmap for the next wave. Subscribe, share this with a payments pro, and leave a review. What vertical do you think is the biggest opportunity right now? Self-storage software turned into $30k monthly residual for one agent. Wild? We unpack the model: free software, integrated payments, dual pricing, and a channel that actually closes. **Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice.  All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.** PEP Links: https://www.globallegallawfirm.com/podcasts/ A payments podcast of Global Legal Law Firm

Five Things That Give The Merchant Processing Industry a Bad Name and How To Fix It | PEP112

Five things that give the merchant processing industry a bad name. A payment processing statement should never feel like a magic trick, yet too many merchants get hit with fees they never truly agreed to and increases they do not notice until the bank account hurts. Christopher Dryden and Jeremy Stock of Global Legal Law Firm bring on Mitchell Reisberg from Watchdog Merchant Services (https://watchdogmerchantservices.com/) to get blunt about the real-world problems small businesses face with merchant services: equipment leases that get “edited” after the fact, POS deals that look affordable until the long-term cost shows up, and processor tactics that rely on confusion and silence. Ever been pushed to “just sign here” on a POS or terminal lease? Hear how bad leasing tactics worked, why some still linger, and what honest payment partners do differently. • bogus terminal lease tactics and how they damage merchant trust • why POS leasing can make sense when terms are honest • embedded payments and processor changes that trigger massive effective rate increases • why merchants ignore statements and what that costs them • practical statement review habits and simple spreadsheet-based monitoring • why selling on price alone fails and how service reduces attrition • AI in sales and why automated outreach often falls flat • non-solicit confusion, residual disputes, and upstream channel risk • zombie billing, statement messages, and the 30-day window to fight back • arbitration clauses, liquidated damages, and auto-renewals that hit small businesses hardest We unpack how hidden fees, statement message changes, PCI charges, and plain old rate creep can balloon a merchant’s effective rate over time, sometimes to shocking levels. Mitch explains why merchants often do not open their processing statements and how that creates the perfect conditions for “zombie billing,” where charges live on simply because nobody challenges them. We also talk about practical defense: basic statement review discipline, simple spreadsheet comparisons, and acting fast when a change hits because many contracts give only a short window to dispute or exit. AI bots made 3,500 calls and got zero bites. That says a lot about modern sales and merchant trust. We dig into what still works, plus the contract clauses that can trap you for years. From there, we zoom out to the systems that keep these issues alive: upstream contract terms, arbitration provisions that limit real recourse, liquidated damages that punish early termination, and auto-renewals that quietly extend bad relationships. We even get into the limits of AI for sales and operations, including why bots and automation can’t replace trust, clear communication, and someone who will actually pick up the phone and fix problems. Your effective rate can jump from 3% to 19% without you noticing if you never open your processing statements. We talk hidden fees, “zombie billing,” and how to fight back within 30 days.  If you care about fair credit card processing fees, merchant advocacy, and payment contracts that don’t ambush small businesses, listen through and share it with someone who needs a statement reality check. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us what fee or contract term you want us to break down next. **Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice.  All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.** PEP Links: https://www.globallegallawfirm.com/podcasts/ A payments podcast of Global Legal Law Firm

The AI Platform Helping Businesses Cut Costs Everywhere: Cost Savings | Bill Kurtzner PEP111

What if your invoices could tell you exactly where you’re overpaying? We talk agentic AI that audits spend, finds hard savings, and even unlocks wholesale pricing for SMBs.  If you’ve ever looked at an invoice and wondered, “Am I paying a fair price, or am I just too busy to fight it?” you’ll feel this conversation in your bones. Christopher Dryden of Global Legal Law Firm sits down with Bill Kurtzner with Cost Savings (https://costsavings.com/), a payments veteran turned cost containment expert, to unpack how businesses quietly overpay across everyday categories like shipping, telecom, waste removal, utilities, bank fees, and even merchant processing fees and how a new wave of agentic AI is changing the math. Bill shares the path from door knocking as an ISO to building Util Auditors, then zooms in on the breakthrough: a granted patent for automated auditing and recommendation systems that turns manual invoice review into a scalable, self service workflow. We talk about the difference between “soft savings” (time saved) and hard cost savings you can actually measure on the bottom line, plus why that matters when you’re selling to SMB owners who need results, not vibes. We talk with Bill about turning expense and invoice data into measurable hard cost savings using a patent backed, agentic AI platform. We dig into how GPO pricing, payments partnerships, and SOC 2 security controls can make enterprise grade savings accessible to small businesses. • Bill’s background in payments and building credibility the hard way • Util Auditors and the shift from enterprise cost containment to scalable software • Agentic AI and a granted patent for automated auditing and recommendations • Why hard cost savings beat soft savings claims • GPO economics and why SMBs usually get left out • Integrations with QuickBooks, ERPs, and major vendor accounts for apples to apples comparisons • Self service onboarding, dashboards, and optional invoice uploads for analysis • Data privacy concerns, SOC 2 compliance, encryption, and API based access • Distribution through payment processors, banks, and associations • Embedded finance direction including lending, checking, and payroll • Employee member deals that bring corporate discounts to SMB teams We also dig into the practical model: connecting tools like QuickBooks and other ERP and accounting platforms, pulling invoices through APIs, and showing apples to apples comparisons that can unlock steep discounts through a tech enabled group purchasing organization. Since data access raises real concerns, we cover privacy and security head on, including SOC 2 compliance and encryption. Finally, we explore distribution through payment processors and other partners, plus the bigger ecosystem direction: embedded lending, checking, payroll, and employee member deals that bring corporate level discounts to smaller teams. Payments companies are hunting real value adds for merchants. This episode breaks down a $50/month savings platform, GPO pricing, and why “hard savings” beats “soft savings.” Subscribe for more conversations at the intersection of payments, fintech, and real world business operations, then share this episode and leave a review so more operators can find it. What’s the one recurring bill you’d love to cut down first? QuickBooks integration sounds great until you ask: where does my data go? Hear how SOC 2 compliance, encryption, and API based access shape trust in cost savings platforms. **Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice.  All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.** PEP Links: https://www.globallegallawfirm.com/podcasts/ A payments podcast of Global Legal Law Firm