Wellness Law Podcast

How Third to First Reimagines EPLI to Support Employees and Reduce Toxic Workplace Culture

Host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Kit Chaskin and Lauren Golanty, co-founders of Third to First, to discuss how traditional Employment Practices Liability Insurance (EPLI) frames employees who report harassment or discrimination as adverse third parties, discouraging reporting and shaping HR and management practices. They explain their “Third to First” endorsement, which converts EPLI to first-party reimbursement coverage for verified employee-on-employee Title VII harms after a company investigation, helping fund efforts to make survivors whole (such as counseling or team transfers) while also supporting accountability for harassers, including potential termination and related claims. The guests share their timeline from early R&D to Fast Company recognition and describe their services helping employers, brokers, and insurers implement the endorsement and roll it out internally to encourage early reporting and safer workplaces. Learn more at https://www.thirdtofirst.com/ [https://www.thirdtofirst.com/],  00:00 Welcome and Introductions 02:01 What Is EPLI 03:45 Why EPLI Hurts Workers 06:01 Third to First Solution 06:58 Origin Story and R&D 09:39 How the Endorsement Works 12:16 Training and Systemic Change 14:37 Reporting and HR Trust Gap 16:53 Rollout and Early Reporting 18:53 Services and Business Model 21:03 Who Adopts This 22:38 How to Learn More 24:32 Closing Thanks Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com [https://wellnesslaw.com/].

Workplace Bullying, Executive Abuse & Accountability: Kim Williams on the Fair Path Project

Host Barbara Zabawa interviews Kim Williams, founder of the Fair Path Project, [https://www.fairpathproject.com/] about confronting workplace bullying—especially executive abuse—and its impact on employee wellbeing and organizational culture. Williams, a former U.S. diplomat and veteran HR executive, shares how she was directed into HR, why work is central to people’s lives, and how her own experience being abused by a chief executive revealed gaps in accountability when boards and counsel refuse to act. She explains how Fair Path Project builds leverage for employees and HR through training, consulting, coaching, and “leverage labs,” and highlights emerging accountability via liability insurers that raise premiums or require remediation when companies tolerate harassment and toxic culture. Williams also describes efforts to connect affected workers with attorneys, share creative legal strategies, and quantify the financial cost of keeping a “brilliant jerk.” 00:00 Welcome to the Podcast 00:15 Meet Kim Williams 02:23 Why Work Shapes Wellness 03:25 Surviving Executive Abuse 05:38 What Fair Path Does 15:13 Leverage Labs and Legal Paths 17:23 Coaching HR and Executives Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com [https://wellnesslaw.com/].

Lift Our Voices: Ending Forced Arbitration & NDAs to Protect Workplace Wellbeing

Host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Gretchen Carlson and Julie Roginsky to discuss Lift Our Voices, founded in 2019 to combat workplace silencing through forced arbitration and non-disclosure agreements that often block employees from going to court and speaking about sexual misconduct and other discrimination. Carlson describes her advocacy following her Fox News sexual harassment case and the effort to change laws, while Roginsky explains how an NDA prevented her from helping a rape survivor, motivating her to join the fight. They detail two bipartisan federal laws they helped pass: the Ending Forced Arbitration of Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment Act (effective for misconduct after March 3, 2022) and the Speak Out Act addressing pre-dispute NDAs, plus state-level NDA bans and their broader impact. They also cite research showing NDA bans do not reduce settlements and urge workplace wellness professionals to educate employees about these legal rights. Learn more about Lift Our Voices here [https://liftourvoices.org/]. 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:23 What Is Lift Our Voices 03:11 Julie’s Story and Founding 05:14 Workplace Wellness Connection 06:32 Ending Forced Arbitration Act 08:42 Speak Out Act and State Wins 12:22 Research and Real World Impact 16:15 Advice for Wellness Leaders 19:23 Closing and How to Help Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com [https://wellnesslaw.com/].

Surviving Bully Culture: Workplace Bullying and Legal Insights with Andy Regal

Welcome to the Wellness Law Podcast! In this episode, host Barbara Zabawa interviews Andy Regal, former executive producer at CNBC and global head of video for the Wall Street Journal. Now focusing on workplace bullying, Andy shares insights from his 25 years in the media industry and his upcoming book, 'Surviving Bully Culture: A Career Navigating Workplace Bullying and a Guide for Healing.' Andy reveals the alarming prevalence of workplace bullying and underscores its legal ambiguities. The discussion highlights practical solutions, including implementing workplace codes of conduct to combat bullying. Tune in to learn about the impact of bullying on employee wellness and productivity, and discover ways to foster a healthier work environment. Visit wellnesslaw.com for more resources and subscribe to stay updated. 00:00 Introduction to the Wellness Law Podcast 00:19 Meet Andy Regal: Media Executive Turned Workplace Bullying Advocate 00:54 The Relevance of Workplace Bullying to Wellness Law 02:15 Understanding Workplace Bullying: Definitions and Personal Experiences 03:19 The Legal Landscape of Workplace Bullying 07:34 Proposed Solutions: Codes of Conduct and Corporate Wellness 11:53 The Impact of Bullying on Employee Wellbeing and Productivity 16:37 Resources and Upcoming Events 19:01 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com [https://wellnesslaw.com/].

Advocating for Health Coach Reimbursement with Margaret Moore

In this episode of the Wellness Law Podcast, host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Margaret Moore, also known as Coach Meg, the CEO of Wellcoaches [https://www.wellcoachesschool.com/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21410075255&gbraid=0AAAAADmrR6XDOZvAdNqC0_uj5vM6Z24iW&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrJTGBhCbARIsANFBfgviMxxMo42inju4ErEZSHP31OVVRpajFOnvcDsJ5-B-Vv4arap7wA4aAgtyEALw_wcB]. They discuss Coach Meg's extensive efforts advocating for Medicare reimbursement for health coaching services. They delve into the history and current progress of obtaining recognition and reimbursement for health coaches, the strategic partnership with the medical community, and the role of health coaching in chronic disease management. They also talk about the potential inclusion of health and wellness coaching in the Physician Fee Schedule as well as the importance of coaches being part of the healthcare team. Tune in to learn about the pivotal moment for the health coaching profession and the exciting steps ahead. Follow Coach Meg on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachmeg/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachmeg/]. 00:00 Introduction to the Wellness Law Podcast 00:20 Meet Coach Meg: Advocate for Health Coach Rights 01:15 The Journey of Health Coaching Advocacy 03:19 Current Efforts and Government Involvement 05:34 The Importance of Coaching in Healthcare 14:40 Challenges and Misconceptions in Health Coaching 27:32 The Future of Health Coaching and AI 30:36 Conclusion and Contact Information Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com [https://wellnesslaw.com/].