After Party
Welcome to After Party – the show where I interview sustainable brand founders in their natural habitats. In this episode, I’m joined by the London-based menswear designer and artist Emma Blythe. As a child growing up in the US, Emma first experimented with fashion by making outfits for the Tooth Fairy. She studied fashion design at Marist College in New York before completing a graduate diploma at Central Saint Martins and an MA in Menswear at the Royal College of Art. Here, Emma started to unpick the masculine wardrobe and the way that we gender clothing, one deadstock suit at a time. To Emma, upcycling is more than just sustainability – it’s a form of visual storytelling and a way to dismantle old narratives. By reconstructing garments loaded with history, Emma asks: Can we strip away the past to build a more hopeful future? Through research, couture techniques, and performance, Emma rewrites these male stories by reworking pieces that traditionally belonged to the masculine wardrobe, using male-coded materials like deadstock suits and second-hand ties. She also reworks materials from her own past. In her collection titled Progression, garments reconstructed from her past collection symbolised that “we don’t always have to make something new to move things forward.” When they aren’t designing under their namesake label, Emma can be found making costumes for music videos, working on film commissions, crafting a new line of denim accessories, and dreaming up imaginary product collaborations, such as a Prada x Tesco meal deal sandwich bag with their partner Chun. Welcome to the After Party, Emma Blythe! This series is all about upcycling, so I wanted to start by asking you, what does upcycling mean to you? Upcycling is a combination of recycling, mending and creation. It’s recreating something completely new from what it was originally used for. When did designing with the planet in mind become important to you? I grew up outside of a city and was outside a lot. It’s always been something that’s been important to me. I’ve never been a fast fashion shopper, it’s about making garments that are well-made and meant to last. Interestingly, you say you’ve never shopped fast fashion because I feel like a lot of people go through a transition where they used to shop fast fashion and now they don’t. What were you wearing when you were younger? I got a lot of hand-me-downs from older cousins and older siblings when I was a kid. My mom had a massive influence on the way that I see fashion and clothing. She worked in fashion, but she was more on the business side; she was a merchandiser and a buyer. She loved a good bit of tailoring. It annoyed me when I was younger, when I wanted something from H&M when I was like 13, my mom would be like, “This is made terribly – we’re not getting that for you.” At the time, you’re like “Mom, I just want the cute top!” But she really instilled in me to inspect what you’re getting, to look at what you’re buying, that’s something that I still do today. What was your upbringing like? You grew up in the US… Very outdoorsy, my family is in the Northeast corner. So a lot of farms, a lot of mountains, very suburban. At the time I hated it, I wanted to move to New York and work in fashion and never come home. I was spending every single day outside. You’d get home from school, chuck your backpack inside, and then go back outside until you had to come in at night. Lots of winter sports. I think that had a massive impact on the way that I view sustainability. “My Mom was a fashion buyer and merchandiser – she’d say we’re not getting that for you, it’s made terribly!” How did your journey with making evolve? I was always creating something, sewing, and drawing. My older siblings did a lot of drawing too. My grandmother, she was an artist and she was the one who taught me how to sew originally, that was really special. There was always a ton of art supplies that we could play with, and we’d make an absolute mess. She slowly started to teach me how to sew. The first fully finished garment that I made was a dress from an old vintage dress pattern. My mom would try and teach me how to knit if she had the patience for it, which she didn’t normally have; it was an evolving interest. I was always geared towards some version of working in fashion. What kind of art did your grandma create? She was a watercolour painter, she was really into architecture and gardens. There’s always been a very creative mindset in my family. There’s an amazing story about you making a dress for the Tooth Fairy… I was very slow to grow up and I was just really interested in fairy tales, the tooth fairy, she was my girl. My mom was always redecorating the home, and she always had fabric samples for different projects. I would use them to make robes with little ribbons; my Mom still has one of them at home. “In London, I became more experimental with my ideas.” How did you express your creative side at school? I studied at Marist College in New York, and it was very uncreative. I really didn’t enjoy my time there, but looking back, it was really beneficial. It was very commercial-based. Would this sell in a department store? Yes or no, that’s it. It was very technical skills-based, too, sewing 100 samples of how to do a zipper, 100 samples of how to sew a pocket, which at the time was miserable. But it really taught me how to make clothing well. When I moved to London for the more creative side, I was shocked because I didn’t really think that I was that good at making clothing because everyone else on my course in New York was really good at it. In London, I became more experimental with my ideas. I had the basis to be able to actually make it and not need to outsource, I could just do it myself. How was studying at CSM a contrast to New York? I was shell-shocked for sure. I definitely went through a bit of a personality crisis there. I spent a lot of time rediscovering what I wanted to do. It also really showed me the side of the industry that isn’t about the work, that’s more about the social and cultural aspects of working in the industry. In New York, if you work really hard, you’re good. Here, there’s a lot more nuance. That one year at CSM was just a quick one-year course, full of international students; there were like 15 different countries represented within a course of 30. It was a really interesting mix of people from all kinds of different backgrounds who were trying to take that next step. “That’s when I got into antique materials and non-fashion materials like upholstery.” What did your work look like at the time? Oh so bad! I was unsure what I was doing creatively because I wasn’t given that chance to explore that when I was doing my BA, so I wanted to do everything. It was still menswear and that is when I got into using antique materials, and non-fashion materials, like upholstery. It was when I was first exploring what I wanted to do in terms of materials and texture, and colour. Where did you source the antique materials at the time? At home. When I went back for holiday breaks, I collected everything I could and shoved it into a suitcase because everything in London is so expensive, even if it’s second-hand. I’d get everything I could from antique stores and deadstock fabric warehouses. There are a lot of textile mills where I’m from, alongside fabric that my mom had in the house that wasn’t getting touched. “It was an MA in fashion, but ‘fashion’ at the RCA is a very loose term.” Then you went to the RCA for your MA. How was that experience? I know it was lockdown… I loved it for the first four months; we had lots of people from different backgrounds. There were people in my course doing architecture and fine art. It was an MA in fashion, but at the RCA, fashion is a very loose term. There were people who did writing as opposed to making garments. You could do whatever you wanted to do. I loved it because it allowed me to continue on that trajectory of experimentation. Then lockdown came and I actually did a lot of it in my flat or back at home in my parents’ home in the US via Zoom. So it was a really different experience, but it gave me time to figure out what I wanted to do. I did a lot of academic research and writing, which I never thought I would do. But that became the basis of my entire project and what I’m still doing now. “The film featured two men helping each other into a suit, which is something you would never normally see.” What was your final project? It was called Fashioning Acts of Masculinity… I had done menswear for my BA and my time at CSM. So it had been five years. I was doing menswear and interning and working in menswear, and I was just getting so sick of creating for men’s wants and needs. Coming from the US and the political background at the time, there was a lot of male toxicity going on. I started to research why this is happening and started looking at how fashion has influenced that in the past. Once you figure that out, you can start to tweak it and adjust fashion to positively influence the male experience. My final collection was all about creating garments that men had to ask for help to get dressed in, it was about instigating behaviours that they would never have to engage in normally, asking for help from someone else and instigating male-to-male touch, exploring the vulnerability that they don’t normally experience within their own wardrobe. There was a performance piece at the end where I worked with two choreographers and dancers to show that experience. How do you think these ideas manifest visually? In working with suits and shirts – garments that traditionally ‘belong’ to men? The collections I’m working on wouldn’t make sense if they were made from new ‘cut and sew’ materials. It needs to be pieces that people recognise as male items. That’s where a lot of the tailoring and the shirts come in; it’s a method of linguistics without needing to explicitly communicate it. The first piece looked like a traditional men’s suit when it’s fully put on, but it wraps around the body in a way that he genuinely can lock into it, so it was a huge technical challenge to figure out how to make that. When I’m creating womenswear, I’m not trying to make garments that are more difficult and more uncomfortable for women, but it’s using those male-coded Western items. It’s showing how these can be changed to show the way we relate to each other and behave within our own environments. You think about clothing and fashion in such an academic way, which I love I got that from the RCA, I definitely didn’t think of it that way before. Lockdown helped it because it was sort of forced me to sit and think, which I maybe wouldn’t have done if I was in a normal university setting. I think I would have been so busy with everything else that I would have just done something more straightforward. Whereas I was really able to get into the research. My older sibling has done a lot of feminist research on how history would be different if it was told from the women’s perspective, so they had a lot of resources for me to look at. Let’s have a look at the hero suit from the collection… This is from the original RCA collection and I reused it in my Progression collection on a womenswear model for the shoot. This is where the whole tie obsession came from! So this was the piece that was hard for the men to get in? Yeah, there was a lot of wrapping, and this was the main concept piece and the first iteration of what I now call the wrap suit. It looks as if it’s just a normal traditional men’s suit and then it unwraps and spirals twice around the body. [In the film] you see two men helping each other into a suit which is something you would never normally see. Inside there’s all these different silk ties, it was lockdown, so it was about figuring out how to use what I had. I’ve since made this again in a different material for a woman’s body. When people loan it or borrow it, it’s nice to see it done up in a bunch of different ways. This is a big question, but how do you think that fashion as a practice can help to rebuild gender boundaries? I think any sort of discussion around gender and gender behaviours is important but it’s important to remember the intersectionality that comes with it. It’s never just one thing, and there’s always class, culture, location and age which will have an impact on what is considered a gender norm, but I think fashion sits really nicely within all of that. Fashion is a way to express yourself and a way of communicating the groups you want to be a part of. It impacts the way we experience life as individuals and as groups, so by creating with intention, you can start to alter that as well. Do you feel like deconstruction is a big part of that? I think it’s a good start, but we’ve done a lot of deconstructing already. I think what people need now is like the reconstructing phase. I talk a lot about ‘positive pathways forward’, because I think we can sit and rip past behaviours apart but it’s about finding how we are moving forward and what we are doing about it. It’s deconstructing old pieces in terms of the actual methods of what I’m doing, but I’m reconstructing them in a more thoughtful way. You’ve used fabrics from your previous pieces and remade them for new collections. You said ‘‘I’d like to show that we don’t always have to do something new and to move things forward…’ I had done my time at RCA, but I didn’t really have the money to do another collection. But you need to keep making, showing your work and being productive. I took the collection and reshot it on a womenwear model to see how the energy changes. There was a lot of harvesting from the old stuff, like belt buckles from the first collection. I had been really precious about my work, but it was just sitting there, and I needed a belt buckle, so I ripped it off from the previous collection for the new one. What does your process look like from start to finish? I think it’s more streamlined now. I know which design details I want to keep, like the wrapping and lacing. I was making a lot of stuff that needed to fit a lot of different bodies, especially since they were made in lockdown, when I had no fit models. I really liked the way that ended up looking. It also ties into sustainability by creating garments that can grow and change with either the same person, or if their body changes, they can give it to someone else. “I had a ton of buttons left over, so I got these second-hand boots from the Princess May Carboot sale and just got glueing!” Where do you source your materials? A lot of shopping around, going to different vintage stores, antique markets, and car boot sales. My partner’s wardrobe, if he doesn’t wear something, I’ll just take it. It’s a lot of finding whatever I can use and seeing what ideas come from the pieces. Sometimes I’ll be like, ‘I need to make a top,’ but most of the time it’s about finding pieces and thinking ‘I could make this out of that,’ it’s very unclear what I’m doing until I’ve done it. Where are some of your favourite places to find fabric? Home. London is really expensive for anything. Maybe I’m not looking in the right places, but I don’t often find [the fabrics] that speak to me personally. Suits and shirts you can get in any charity shop or car boot sale, but the standout materials – like the upholstery you’re wearing now – I find a lot of that when I go back home. When you’re out of the city, there aren’t as many people looking for stuff…it sits and waits for me until I go home. What does your workload look like? Is it on a more bespoke basis? I try to do a mix. None of it would ever be wholesale just because of the nature of working with limited materials. I could never make more than five of anything, but I’ve also done some custom pieces for musicians and their music videos, where they’ll reach out and want something specific. Like the button boots! The last women’s wear collection that I did, I just needed shoes. So instead of buying or loaning shoes from someone else, I just figured I had a ton of buttons left over. I got these second-hand boots from the Princess May Carboot sale and just got glueing. Let’s talk about what I’m wearing… That corset is actually one of the first women’s pieces I made. After the RCA, I worked with my friend Sophie Tamala, who was my stylist for that collection. As a thank you for all the help she gave me throughout, I made her a corset out of the upholstery material left and gave it to her for her birthday. Then people kept reaching out to me asking for it for shoots, and I had to keep asking for it back, so I made another one. So this is the second version of the corset that I had originally made for my friend as a thank you. Did you find the material at home? Yeah, it was from an old upholstery shop back home. There was maybe only 5 metres of it, so I was able to make two corsets, and I tried to make a pair of trousers, but they didn’t work out. Alongside your namesake label you’ve started a denim brand… That happened by accident, to be honest. My partner who I run the brand with, his dad is a vintage denim collector and reseller. There were a lot of leftover jeans that he couldn’t sell because they weren’t the right brand name or they were damaged. Chan was keeping them in our studio, and they were taking up space. I just wanted a bag for myself. I was going to Paris Fashion Week to do some video content because I was working for a magazine at the time, and I just wanted a bag that I could fit a bunch of my stuff in. I thought, ‘Why don’t we just use the denim to make the bag?’ I wanted something silly that I wouldn’t normally buy, so we came up with the idea of making this really big flower-shaped bag. Shall we have a look at it? This is her, the flower puff bag. She’s really, really big and holds a lot. We just made it for me, and that was literally supposed to be kind of the end of it. I brought it to Paris Fashion Week with me, and a lot of the people on the design team for the brand that I was shooting for started asking about it and taking pictures of it. And then when you’re walking in and out of shows obviously [photographers] are there. People kept asking for photos of the bag, and I was messaging Chun like, ‘We need to put this on Instagram so people know this is us.’ We didn’t have a brand name, there was no intention to ever make another one, but it kind of became its own thing. We slowly started broadening the range, so we have mama and baby, we did blue and black versions of every bag, and it naturally progressed. The bows were added because we did a white version for a friend’s wedding, and then people wanted that. We do some small accessories as well, like hats and hair scrunchies. And shoes! These were again because we needed shoes for a photo shoot that we did. These DIY little boots again don’t fit me, but I would wear them if they did. It’s been fun, and we don’t do more than we want to because it’s still a side gig. Chun is a graphic designer and 3D modeller on his own, but he does have a background in textiles, which is why we started doing this. It’s made to order. If someone reaches out and wants one, we’ll make one. It’s more of a creative outlet for the two of us as opposed to being something that we’re like stressing out about because we’ve got our own things to stress out about. Amazing, I love them. You’ve touched on the photoshoots and the work you do outside of the brand. What does that look like? From doing the film for my own projects at the RCA, I slowly started doing more film projects for other people that I knew and a lot of video content for magazines. I’d join the shoots and do a moving image version of whatever the editorial or cover shoot was, which was fun because I got to meet a lot of people working on a lot of different sets, which is very different from working in a studio. I still do that from time to time, but it’s project-based, rather than a long-term job. It’s given me a lot of experience to produce photo shoots, both for my own brand and for the project that I do with Chun. Excitingly, you’ve got a concept for a leather bag in the works… We’ve got a lot of different things that we want to do with the handbag brand. Our main focus at the moment is doing digital concepts. Chun is a designer and 3D modeller and he’s really skilled at making anything I want. I’ll be like ‘can we do a little video of a bag floating in the air with stars around it,’ and he’ll do it straight away, I put him to work quite a bit. Material costs can be a lot and there’s times when we just feasibly can’t be making bags to sell, so we’re generating ideas and moving the brand forward without having to make anything. I’m a huge Sailor Moon fan so a lot of the digital concepts on our Instagram are Sailor Moon-inspired, like gadgets. It’s a creative outlet for us because what I do is quite serious and emotionally taxing. It’s fun, and it lets Chun expand upon his own graphic design and 3D modelling skills as well. Right now you’re working on a group exhibition… We’ve done two already in the past, because of lockdown at the RCA, we didn’t really get our own show to commemorate the end of that experience. So me and one of my friends put on a group exhibition, and it went really well. We did it again the following year to kind of keep everyone together. We didn’t end up doing it last year because everyone’s working like seven jobs, and living in London right now is quite grim. It’s a great way of making sure that people stay connected while giving people a platform to keep promoting their own work. It’s hard to keep creating, so it almost forces you to create. In my experience there’s so many talented people here in London who are so good at what they do but you never see or hear from them because they’re not that 1% of people that just met the right person at the right time. When people ask me ‘Who are you inspired by?’ it’s always my friends or the people that I studied with, their work is so amazing, so it’s just trying to keep that going. What are you focusing on at the moment with your own brand? Well, I’ve obviously just moved studios, so that’s been a huge shift. From doing the handbag label with Chun, I’ve gotten really into handbags and accessories, so finding a way to incorporate that within my own label would be great. More leather goods, and I’ve done some small batches of ready-to-wear for some local shops here in London, which has been great because it allows me to just make what I can as opposed to having to fulfil whole orders. If I end up seeing someone on the street who’s wearing a skirt that I made or something, it’s always really fun, while still doing the creative photo shoots and conceptual projects. Have you ever bumped into someone wearing one of your pieces? Yeah, one of the puffy tulle shirts, I sold like three of them at Alta, which is a store in London that has a lot of emerging brands. It’s really fun to see people actually living in the stuff that you make. I was like ‘Oh my God, that’s my shirt!’ If in theory the world were to end tomorrow, what would you be wearing to the After Party? I made something for a Fashion Week event. It was a black satin corset with a little bubble hem. It was made from deadstock silk, a lot of ribbon, antique trim and lace. I wore it, and I felt hot! So probably that. Get full access to After Party at afterpartybychekiiharling.substack.com/subscribe [https://afterpartybychekiiharling.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]
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