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After Further Consideration

Podkast av Dr. Cody Nielsen and Dr. Tomika Ferguson

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After Further Consideration is a DEI-focused podcast from the Enrollify network, where hosts Dr. Cody Nielsen and Dr. Tomika Ferguson invite experienced change leaders both within and beyond higher education into conversations focused on responsive leadership, addressing campus crises, navigating institutional shifts, and fostering sustainable change all through the lens of equity and inclusion. Each episode dives into the experiences of those who have navigated challenges, gleaned invaluable lessons, and implemented innovative approaches to complex problems. Whether you're seeking actionable solutions or inspiration to drive positive and inclusive change, "After Further Consideration" offers a platform for dialogue, growth, and impactful leadership in higher education.

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Ep. 11: You Can Prepare for Resistance

Hosts welcome Dr. Faran Saeed, Director of the Murseel J. Lee Scholars Program at the University of Wisconsin and former Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) at the university's Global and International Division. Dr. Saeed shares his leadership journey, from shifting career paths in undergrad to navigating the complexities of DEI work in higher education. He offers powerful insights into values-driven leadership, crisis management, and the importance of centering impacted communities. Through his experiences—including the defining moment of the 2017 Charlottesville crisis—Dr. Saeed provides actionable strategies for leading with integrity, preparing for resistance, and fostering inclusive environments in higher education. Guest Name: Faran Saeed, Director of the Mercile J. Lee Scholars Program at the University of Wisconsin Guest Social: https://www.linkedin.com/in/faransaeed/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/faransaeed/] Guest Bio: Faran Saeed (He/Him/His) holds a PhD in Language, Equity, and Educational Policy from Oregon State University, and holds a Master of Arts in Higher Education Administration from Louisiana State University College of Education. He currently serves as the Director of the Mercile J. Lee Scholars Program and previously as the Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) at the University of Wisconsin-Madison where he oversaw all aspects of global DEI within the International Division. Before working at the University of Wisconsin, he oversaw the Ettihad Cultural Center. This center supports students, faculty, and staff from the North African, Middle Eastern, and South Asian communities at Oregon State University. Furthermore, he served as the IMPACT Conference Board of Directors chair. In the past, he has sat on the NASPA leadership team of the Spirituality and Religion Knowledge Community and was part of the Board of Directors of Convergence, A national organization focused on enhancing institutional climates for religious, secular, and spiritual identities through policy and practice. Before returning to graduate school to pursue his doctorate, he worked for several years at Madison House, the student volunteer and community engagement center at the University of Virginia as the Director of Community Engagement. Additionally, Faran has experience in doing strategic planning, higher education assessment, and developing social justice curriculums. KEY TAKEAWAYS * Values-Driven Leadership is Essential – Aligning leadership with personal and institutional values ensures that decision-making remains principled, impactful, and student-centered. * Preparing for Crisis Requires Proactive Planning – A comprehensive communication strategy and clear stakeholder engagement plan are critical for navigating crises effectively. * Center Impacted Communities in Decision-Making – Listening to and prioritizing the voices of those directly affected by policies and crises leads to more equitable and effective solutions. * Power Dynamics Shape Institutional Responses – Leaders must understand and navigate institutional power structures to advocate for systemic change and meaningful DEI work. * Strategic Planning Can Drive Long-Term Equity – Embedding DEI principles into institutional policies, staffing, and community partnerships creates lasting structural change. * Resistance is Inevitable—Be Ready for It – Anticipating and preparing for opposition helps leaders stay committed to their values while mitigating risks. * Self-Care Fuels Effective Leadership – Investing in personal well-being—whether through reading, reflection, or taking intentional breaks—sustains leaders in demanding roles. FROM BIOCHEMISTRY TO HIGHER EDUCATION: DR. SAEED’S LEADERSHIP JOURNEY Dr. Faran Saeed’s career trajectory began with a passion for science, but he soon realized his true calling was in student support and community advocacy. As a first-generation Muslim and South Asian student, he recognized the lack of representation in higher education leadership roles. This realization led him to transition from biochemistry to student affairs, where he found purpose in supporting underrepresented students. At Louisiana State University, he confronted the challenges of limited diversity in leadership and almost left higher ed due to lack of representation. However, a conversation with peers solidified his commitment to staying in the field. Over time, his work evolved from community engagement to a broader focus on multicultural affairs and DEI, ultimately leading him to leadership roles at Oregon State University and the University of Wisconsin-Madison. ‍ THE POWER OF VALUES-DRIVEN LEADERSHIP Dr. Saeed emphasized the importance of leading with values, particularly in supervisory roles. He prioritizes critical reflection on systemic inequities, ensuring that every programmatic decision—from event planning to student advising—aligns with a commitment to equity. He also stressed the importance of relational leadership, building strong connections with colleagues, students, and community partners to drive meaningful change. His leadership at the Murseel J. Lee Scholars Program reflects this values-driven approach. With a focus on supporting historically disadvantaged students, he has worked to enhance mentorship opportunities, financial accessibility, and strategic partnerships to improve student outcomes. By incorporating student feedback into programming decisions, his team fosters a sense of belonging and inclusion. ‍ A DEFINING LEADERSHIP MOMENT: NAVIGATING THE CHARLOTTESVILLE CRISIS One of the most pivotal moments in Dr. Saeed’s career occurred in 2017 during the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, while he was at the University of Virginia. The crisis highlighted deep systemic failures in institutional responses to racial violence and forced him to reevaluate his role as a leader. In the immediate aftermath, he implemented a crisis response strategy that prioritized safety, communication, and community support. Key actions included: * Developing a real-time communication plan to keep students, faculty, and community partners informed. * Establishing safe spaces on campus with 24/7 student access for emotional support. * Partnering with mental health professionals to provide trauma-informed counseling. * Issuing a public statement that took institutional accountability for past shortcomings. * Advocating for policy changes to prevent similar crises in the future. This experience reshaped his leadership philosophy, reinforcing the necessity of centering impacted communities, recognizing power dynamics, and making decisions that prioritize long-term equity over short-term appeasement. ‍ UNDERSTANDING POWER DYNAMICS IN HIGHER EDUCATION Dr. Saeed shed light on the role of power dynamics in institutional decision-making. He highlighted how university leadership often faces conflicting priorities—balancing donor relations, political considerations, and student advocacy. These tensions can create resistance to bold DEI initiatives. To navigate these challenges, he emphasized the need for: * Strategic messaging that aligns with institutional priorities while pushing for systemic change. * Transparent leadership that acknowledges existing inequities rather than glossing over them. * Advocacy for equitable resource distribution, ensuring that historically marginalized students receive the support they need. ‍ ACTIONABLE STRATEGIES FOR LEADING THROUGH CRISIS AND CHANGE Dr. Saeed outlined several steps that higher ed leaders can take to prepare for and respond to challenges: 1. Educate Yourself on Crisis Management – Research best practices, assess past institutional responses, and build a knowledge base for proactive leadership. 2. Engage Impacted Communities First – Prioritize direct conversations with students, faculty, and staff who are most affected by decisions. 3. Develop a Communications Plan – Prepare messaging for different stakeholder groups in advance, ensuring clarity and transparency in crisis situations. 4. Integrate Equity into Strategic Planning – Use crises as opportunities to reassess policies and embed long-term DEI commitments into institutional frameworks. 5. Prepare for Resistance – Anticipate challenges from leadership, donors, and external stakeholders, and develop strategies to stay aligned with core values despite opposition. SELF-CARE AS A LEADERSHIP PRACTICE To sustain himself in emotionally demanding work, Dr. Saeed prioritizes self-care through reading. After completing his PhD, he rekindled his love for books, reading over 50 in just five months. He balances heavy academic and activist texts with fiction that brings him joy, creating a sense of balance. His self-care routine also includes daily walks while listening to audiobooks, ensuring that he stays mentally and emotionally grounded.

4. mars 2025 - 41 min
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Bonus: After Further Consideration Pulse Check — Pt. 5

Welcome to a special bonus episode of After Further Consideration, where we'll be revisiting our original "Pulse Check" episodes that published on the Higher Ed Pulse podcast in the Summer of 2024. Today we are revisiting Part 5, which is a conversation between Dr. Cody Nielsen and Dr. Tomika Ferguson.  In this episode, key takeaways include: * To serve as an authentic and talented leader, self-love is essential. * Involving practitioners in more search can benefit the field of higher education, particularly the impact of the work to prepare future and current educational leaders. * In higher education, we must integrate both theory and practice, ensuring our work is grounded in real-world applications. * Achieving our professional goals requires a curiosity about others' journeys, without being consumed by following their exact paths.

3. feb. 2025 - 41 min
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Bonus: After Further Consideration Pulse Check — Pt. 4

Welcome to a special bonus episode of After Further Consideration, where we'll be revisiting our original "Pulse Check" episodes that published on the Higher Ed Pulse podcast in the Summer of 2024. Today we are revisiting Part 4 with Jaunelle White, Vice President of Intercollegiate Athletics and Chief Student Development Officer at Point University. Key takeaways include: * Intentional leadership fosters inclusivity in decision-making and strengthens relationships with your team. * Overcoming others' assumptions about you as a leader requires sustained commitment, trust-building, and humanizing yourself to those you lead. * During a crisis, prioritizing the humanity of your team is more important than the needs of the institution. * Being confident about making a significant career move requires evaluating the opportunity, timing, and location. Guest Name: Jaunelle White, Vice President of Intercollegiate Athletics and Chief Student Development Officer, Point University Guest Social: LinkedIn [www.linkedin.com/in/jaunelle-white/7a170a166] X (Twitter) [www.twitter.com/jhwhite14] Bio: Jaunelle White is the Vice President of Intercollegiate Athletics and the Chief Student Development Officer at Point University in West Point, GA. White is the university's third athletic director and first female director. She has recently been recognized by Southern States Athletic Conference as the Athletic Director of the year. Jaunelle White is a proven leader in Athletics as she was named as one of Sports Illustrated's top 100 Black Women in Sports. White has led the transition of full membership of Point University from the Appalachian Athletic Conference to the Southern States Athletic Conference.. She also added Women's Flag Football to the Athletic Department, which competes in the Sun Conference and will have its inaugural season in Spring 2024. White oversaw three NAIA National Tournament teams, three NAIA All-Americans l), and one Appalachian Athletic Conference Championship team (Women's Basketball). Point University is a school in the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics. NAIA announced Point University as a Champions of Character Five-Star Gold Institution.  White has nearly 20 years of athletic administration experience, particularly at the NCAA Division I level. Most recently, White served as the senior associate athletic director for internal operations and senior woman administrator at Indiana University—Purdue University Indianapolis. She has served in several athletic administrative roles, including compliance, at Texas Southern, Alabama State University, University of South Alabama, Middle Tennessee State University, and Louisiana State University.  White is a native of Lawrence, Kansas, and played collegiate volleyball at Auburn University from 1996 to 2002. She holds a master's degree in education and a bachelor's degree in business administration from Auburn University.

30. jan. 2025 - 43 min
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Bonus: After Further Consideration Pulse Check — Pt. 3

Welcome to a special bonus episode of After Further Consideration, where we'll be revisiting our original "Pulse Check" episodes that published on the Higher Ed Pulse podcast in the Summer of 2024. Today we are revisiting Part 3 with Dr. Peter Cornish, Director of Counseling and Psychological Services at UHS. The discussion focuses on the ways in which holistic mental health services is of the most important DEI imperatives in higher education.  As well, the episodes explores with Dr. Cornish what might happen is we were to consider the holistic well-being professionals as leaders in the reforming of the entirety of higher education. Join for this informative episode.  Guest Name: Peter Cornish, Director of Counseling and Psychological Services, UHS; Honorary Research Professor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada  Guest LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/peter-cornish-6b381922 [https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-cornish-6b381922] Guest Bio: Dr. Peter Cornish is the Director of Counseling and Psychological Services at UHS and an Honorary Research Professor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada. His clinical and research interests include online mental health, stepped-care treatments, mental health service innovations, and inter-professional team functioning. Over the past five years, Dr. Cornish has provided consultation and on-site training on his Stepped Care 2.0 model to over 150 organizations across North America. His nonprofit company, Stepped Care Solutions, is the lead partner on Wellness Together Canada (link is external) [https://ca.portal.gs/], a federal COVID-19 $70M mental health program for all peoples of Canada. Dr. Cornish is the principal investigator for a $1.14M four-year research grant aimed at digitizing and evaluating Stepped Care 2.0 across two Canadian provinces. Currently, he is collaborating with colleagues in the US and Canada on a three-book series on Stepped Care 2.0. [https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-48055-4]

28. jan. 2025 - 40 min
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Bonus: After Further Consideration Pulse Check — Pt. 2

Welcome to a special bonus episode of After Further Consideration, where we'll be revisiting our original "Pulse Check" episodes that published on the Higher Ed Pulse podcast in the Summer of 2024. Today we are revisiting Part 2 with Kevin McDonald of University of Virginia.  Key Takeaways: * Your effectiveness as a leader is negatively impacted when you neglect self-care. * Leaders must be confident in their abilities without being intoxicated by the authority and influence of their position, especially in the face of personal fear, campus conflict, and external pressures. * Executive leadership carries personal risk and responsibility, necessitating reflection on personal obligations, courage, and lifestyle changes to increase effectiveness. * Gratefulness and servant leadership can affirm one’s motivations for leadership amid challenging circumstances and professional transitions. Guest Name: Kevin McDonald, Vice President for Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Community Partnerships, University of Virginia Guest LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/drkevinmcdonald [http://linkedin.com/in/drkevinmcdonald] Guest Bio: Today our Guest is Dr. Kevin McDonald. Kevin McDonald is the University of Virginia’s Vice President for Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Community Partnerships. He joined UVA after serving as the chief diversity officer and vice chancellor for inclusion, diversity, and equity at the University of Missouri System and the University of Missouri – Columbia. While at At Missouri, McDonald established its first diversity strategic plan that was integrated within the UM system’s overall strategic plan, Prior to the University of Missouri System and Flagship campus, McDonald held positions at several other universities, including as vice president and associate provost for diversity, equity, and inclusion at Rochester Institute of Technology, Vice President for equity and inclusion at Virginia Tech, as associate director for compliance and conflict resolution at Johns Hopkins University, and as campus compliance officer at the University of Maryland, College Park. Prior to his work in higher education, McDonald worked for the U.S. Department of Justice and for Network Solutions, Inc. McDonald holds a law degree from The Ohio State University and a doctoral degree in higher education leadership from the University of Rochester. He received his undergraduate degree in psychology from Andrews University in Berrien Springs, Michigan.

24. jan. 2025 - 40 min
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