Due Time presents: The Watchers

The 10-Watch Rule, Moser Love, and Why Cartier Is Overrated with Seth Klebe

What does it look like when a tech sales leader applies the same discipline he uses in business to building a watch collection? In this episode, Seth Klebe, host of the Watch The Tech podcast, joins Rod Dye and Rio the Watcher for a conversation that covers everything from the AP x Swatch collaboration to the emotional math behind selling a Vacheron Constantin 56 for a Rolex Hulk. Seth traces his watch origin story back to a conference room full of executives wearing Breitlings and Omegas, explains why he caps his collection at 10 and lives by an “add one, subtract one” rule, and makes his case for H. Moser & Cie as his favorite brand despite not owning one. Along the way, the trio gets into AD transparency, the explosion of watch content, what it takes to grow a niche podcast, and Seth drops a take on Cartier that might sting a little. Things You’ll Learn 1. Why capping your collection at a fixed number forces better decisions about what stays and what goes. 2. How the Blancpain x Swatch collaboration became a legitimate gateway into a luxury purchase. 3. What it actually sounds like when an AD tells you your odds of getting a grail are probably zero. Tools / Frameworks Matt Shares * The Add-Subtract Rule: If you're going to bring a watch in, one has to leave. No exceptions, no growing past the cap. * Use Case Collecting: Build your early collection around gaps, then pivot to passion once every slot is filled. * Swatch as a Fit Test: Use a collab or homage to test case shape, diameter, and wrist feel before committing thousands to the real thing. * Ad Spend for Niche Content: Allocating $100–$200 per episode on YouTube promotion to reach genuine fans who wouldn't find you organically. Key Timestamps (0:00) – Intro and wrist check (3:02) – How the Swatch x Blancpain collab led to a real 50 Fathoms purchase (5:11) – Hot take: the AP x Swatch collaboration and all three perspectives (15:31) – Who is Seth Klebe: Bay Area roots, tech career, and falling in love with watches (16:47) – The Omega Globemaster and the conference room that started it all (21:10) – From watch passion to Watch The Tech podcast (25:46) – Standout episodes: his father, a former CEO, H. Moser, Corporate Bro, AP, and David Verburg (31:13) – The state of watch media and cutting through the noise (37:16) – Acquisition philosophy: use cases, milestones, and the 10-watch cap (40:05) – Selling the Vacheron 56 for the Rolex Hulk (46:55) – AD relationships, gray market decisions, and real talk on wait lists (56:00) – Dream watches: Moser Streamliner Vantablack, Vacheron Quatre Points (01:03:36) – Favorite brand (Moser) and most overrated brand (Cartier) (01:12:51) – Wish lists: FP Journe Resonance, Day-Date, Pikachu Daytona, Nautilus, blue ceramic AP #watchcollecting #watchculture #blancpain #fiftyfathoms #rolexhulk #vacheronconstantin #hmoser #cartier #swatchcollab #panerai #watchthetech #luxurywatches #watchcommunity #watchpodcast #ADrelationships #graymarket #watchstrategy #techexecutive #sethklebe #thewatchers

Family Business, Fine Wine & the Presidential: Ron Jordan's Watch Story

What does a $10 million Popeyes empire, a bottle of 2009 Burgess, and a two-tone Datejust from your father have in common? They all tell the story of Ron Jordan. In this episode of The Watchers, Rod Dye and Rio The Watcher sit down with entrepreneur, medical device sales rep, wine sommelier, and watch collector Ron Jordan for a deeply personal conversation about legacy, failure, and what watches really represent when the flex isn't the point. Ron traces his path from growing up in his family's Popeyes franchise to scaling six locations, pivoting into experiential dining, and ultimately returning to his first love in sales. Along the way, he shares how his father's gifted Datejust ignited a lifelong Rolex obsession, why AP is the most overrated brand in his book, and how a yacht show in Fort Lauderdale taught him that real money doesn't dress up. Things You’ll Learn 1. Why Ron believes failure is the single most important ingredient in any success story, and how to use it intentionally. 2. How a family-owned Popeyes franchise scaled from one unit to six and $10.7 million in revenue through strategic acquisitions. 3. Why the Rolex Day-Date remains the cultural and historical cornerstone of the brand, from Wall Street to Tony Soprano to hip-hop. Tools / Frameworks Matt Shares * Speed of Execution Advantage: Moving ten times faster than competitors means reaching the idea stage, executing, solving problems, and iterating before others finish discovery. * The Wine Parallel: Finding 90–95 point bottles at $25–50 is the same skill as identifying watch value. * Practical Over Frugal: Every purchase should pass the exit test. If you can't get out of a watch at a reasonable value, the buy doesn't make sense, regardless of how beautiful it is. * Fail Forward Framework: Expect failure, study it, let it define your character, and use the pattern recognition it builds to navigate the next obstacle faster. Key Timestamps (0:00) – Intro and wrist check (4:05) – Ron gifts the hosts a 2009 Burgess wine and explains its connection to watch collecting (7:50) – First-gen experiences, wine journey, and experiential dining (10:55) – Ron's career journey: sales, Popeyes franchise, scaling to $10.7M (17:39) – Ron's father, the gifted Datejust, and falling in love with Rolex (23:08) – The Christmas cabinet story: how Ron received his first Rolex (25:23) – The Batman purchase on Ocean Drive in Miami (27:09) – Tag Heuer as the gateway watch and the 2015 era of luxury entry (30:25) – Full collection breakdown: Chopard, Panerai, AP, and beyond (32:57) – The Fort Lauderdale yacht show story and what real money looks like (36:20) – Ron's next watch: the Tiffany blue Land-Dweller (38:17) – Rapid fire: favorite brand, most overrated brand (AP), dream pieces (44:30) – Rod's watch journey: from Breitling to Rolex, the SKO moment, and building a collection (52:00) – Why the Day-Date is the quintessential Rolex and its cultural significance (57:00) – Final message: why you need to expect failure and embrace it #rolex #watchcollecting #luxurywatches #daydate #datejust #watchculture #watchcommunity #entrepreneurship #failure #mindset #failforward #firstgenerationwealth #familylegacy #legacy #presidentialrolex #batmangmt #APoverrated #sommelier #finedining #thewatchers

Karlos Williams, AD Relationships & the Future of 10/2 media

What happens when a first-generation tech executive from Detroit brings the same hustle that built his career into the watch world? In this episode, Karlos Williams [https://www.instagram.com/watchkarloswilliams/] of 10and2media joins Rod Dye [https://www.instagram.com/rod.dye/] and Rio the Watcher [https://www.instagram.com/rio_the_watcher/reels/] to break down everything from Rolex purchase history strategy to why authenticity beats access every time. Karlos shares his journey as a Detroit-raised, first-generation everything and unpacks how his Pikachu Daytona, Pepsi GMT, and Detroit-inflected style all tie back to one core idea: take up space as your real self. Along the way, the trio dig into AD relationships, the looming Pepsi GMT discontinuation, why precious metal is making a comeback, and how AI fluency is becoming non-negotiable for the next generation of collectors and professionals. Things You’ll Learn 1. Why building a real, personal AD relationship beats spreading purchase history across multiple dealers. 2. How Detroit culture shapes a distinct collecting style, from Cartier buffs to two-tone Daytonas. 3. Why AI fluency is becoming as important as your degree, and how to position yourself early. Tools / Frameworks Matt Shares * Spend Consolidation Strategy: Why funneling purchase history to one or two ADs unlocks allocation faster than spreading it thin. * The Lighthouse Principle: Show up authentically in every room because someone younger is always watching the blueprint you set. * Buy What You Love (Not Just Like): When you genuinely love the piece, the price stops being the conversation. * Liquidity Lens for Steel Sports Rolex: Why a Panda Daytona functions almost like a Royal Oak in terms of value retention and exit options. Key Timestamps (0:00) Intro and wrist check (6:30) Is the Pepsi GMT being discontinued? Insider intel from three ADs (8:15) Who is Karlos Williams: tech exec, entrepreneur, lighthouse (14:45) Wearing luxury watches in corporate tech environments (21:20) Detroit's influence on style, Cartier culture, and remembering D Hasey (26:00) 10and2media and the upcoming Intelligence platform (41:00) First class travel, networking, and why the watch on your wrist opens doors (53:30) Karlos's AD journey and the watches that started it all (1:00:15) Deep dive on the Pikachu Daytona on Oysterflex (1:11:30) Most underrated Rolex picks (1:24:30) Most overrated Rolex and the people who ruin good watches (1:35:00) AD relationship strategy and why one trusted dealer beats many (1:55:30) Rolex vs Porsche: design language and slow refinement (2:01:00) Final advice: be authentic, buy what you love, learn AI #rolex #pepsigmt #gmtmaster2 #watchcollecting #rolexdiscontinued #corporatelife #luxurywatches #careeradvice #authorizeddealer #watchcommunity #watchculture #pikachudaytona

Why Rolex Still Dominates: Waitlists, Value Retention, and Brand Power

Why does Rolex still dominate the watch world, even when collectors constantly debate the brand online? In this episode, Rod Dye and Rio the Watcher break down why Rolex remains the standard in modern watch culture. From resale value and brand control to the psychology of scarcity and the reality of the authorized dealer process, this conversation goes beyond surface-level Rolex hype and gets into why the crown continues to outperform nearly everyone else. They also unpack what the latest retail and secondary market numbers say about the industry, why brands like Cartier and Richard Mille are thriving in different ways, and why Omega may need to rethink its product and messaging strategy. Along the way, they tackle whether there’s such a thing as a bad Rolex, debate the most underrated and overrated models in the catalog, and build their personal Rolex Mount Rushmores. Things You’ll Learn: 1. Why Rolex’s dominance comes from certainty, restraint, and brand control, not just hype 2. How the AD process creates desire, exclusivity, and a sense of achievement for buyers 3. Which Rolex models Rod and Rio see as the most underrated, overrated, and essential to the brand’s legacy Tools / Frameworks Matt Shares: * Certainty Principle: Why Rolex wins by giving buyers confidence in value, status, and product consistency * AD Allocation Math: A practical way to understand why demand far exceeds supply at the dealer level * Mount Rushmore Test: A simple framework for separating personal favorites from historically essential Rolex models Key Timestamps 0:00 – Intro and wrist check 05:45 – Rolex leads both retail and secondary market sales 10:16 – Is there actually a bad Rolex watch? 13:37 – Cartier, Omega, Richard Mille, and the rest of the top 10 21:14 – Why Omega may be losing ground 26:33 – Why Rolex Wins 30:49 – The AD process and whether it’s broken 39:49 – Most underrated and overrated Rolex models 47:39 – Rolex Mount Rushmore 55:32 – Final thoughts on Rolex as a luxury icon #rolex #watchculture #luxurywatches #watchcollecting #explorer1 #airking #watchdebate #watchmarket

Bezel x Kalshi, Watch Pricing, and the Line Between Collecting and Gambling

What happens when watch collecting starts looking more like derivatives trading? In this episode of The Watchers, Rod Dye and Rio the Watcher unpack the new Bezel x Kalshi partnership and what watch futures could mean for collectors, dealers, and the broader industry. They explore whether this creates useful pricing transparency or simply opens the door to more speculation, manipulation, and ‘DraftKings for watcher.’ They also discuss why the Rolex Datejust remains one of the most important watches in the world, how market data can help buyers, and whether bringing more financial players into the space strengthens watch culture or pulls it further away from what made the hobby meaningful in the first place. Things You’ll Learn 1. Why watch futures could reshape how collectors think about pricing, liquidity, and market signals. 2. How speculation, dealer behavior, and platform incentives can influence perceived watch value. 3. Why more market data can help buyers, while still creating new risks for manipulation and hype. Tools / Frameworks Matt Shares * Transparency vs. Manipulation Lens: A simple way to evaluate whether new market tools help collectors or mainly benefit platforms, dealers, and speculators. * Collector vs. Speculator Test: Asking whether participation in watches comes from appreciation of the hobby or purely from financial positioning. * Regional Pricing Reality Check: Why a watch’s value can vary by city, dealer, and convenience, even when market price data exists online. Key Timestamps 0:00 – Intro and wrist check 1:54 – Why the Rolex Datejust is the quintessential Rolex 6:33 – Bezel x Kalshi watch futures announcement 8:03 – Watch trading or watch gambling? 11:40 – Risks of price manipulation and bad actors 17:11 – Could Bezel become the central watch market index? 19:47 – Why this feels closer to derivatives than traditional collecting 21:27 – The case for transparency, analytics, and accessibility 23:41 – Conflict-of-interest concerns around Bezel as marketplace and valuation source 30:00 – Will watch futures influence real-world prices? 35:00 – Is the hobby becoming more about financial instruments than culture? 38:48 – Does more speculation actually help the watch community? 46:01 – GameStop-style coordination and community-driven market pressure 48:36 – Could brands or insiders bet against their own interests? 52:01 – Final thoughts on where this could go next #watchculture #watchmarket #collecting #watchvalue #watchinvesting #luxurywatches #watchcommunity #modernicons #marketplace #horology #valuation