Freakonomics Radio

681. How to Host a Talk Show, with Dick Cavett

Stephen Dubner had an idea for a new project. So he drove to Connecticut and knocked on the door of the master. Dubner’s new TV talk show Better in Person launches July 14 on the Freakonomics YouTube channel.   * SOURCES: * Dick Cavett [https://www.youtube.com/@TheDickCavettShow], writer, former talk show host.   * RESOURCES: * Eye on Cavett [https://amzn.to/4vRhiC2], by Dick Cavett and Christopher Porterfield (1983). * Cavett [https://amzn.to/4f4s1C9], by Dick Cavett and Christopher Porterfield (1974). * "The Dick Cavett Show" YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/@TheDickCavettShow]. * "Better in Person" Trailer [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2oa7DZ1BQ]. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

680. Can Universities Win Back Our Trust?

Dartmouth president Sian Beilock, a psychologist by training, made her name studying why people choke. Now she’s applying those insights to one of the most scrutinized jobs in America. No pressure!   * SOURCES: * Sian Beilock [https://president.dartmouth.edu/about/people/sian-leah-beilock], president of Dartmouth College.   * RESOURCES: * "Growing share of Americans say the U.S. higher education system is headed in the wrong direction [https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/10/15/growing-share-of-americans-say-the-us-higher-education-system-is-headed-in-the-wrong-direction/]," by Kim Parker (Pew Research Center, 2025). * "Standardized Test Scores and Academic Performance at Ivy-Plus Colleges, [https://www.nber.org/papers/w33570]" by John N. Friedman, Bruce Sacerdote, Douglas O. Staiger, and Michele Tine (NBER, 2025). * "Americans’ Trust in One Another [https://www.pewresearch.org/2025/05/08/americans-trust-in-one-another/]," by Laura Silver, Scott Keeter, Stephanie Kramer, Jordan Lippert, Sofia Hernandez Ramones, Alan Cooperman, Chris Baronavski, and Bill Webster (Pew Research Center, 2025). * Choke: What the Secrets of the Brain Reveal About Getting It Right When You Have To [https://amzn.to/4vMqUya], by Sian Beilock (2011)   * EXTRAS: * "Why Does Vanderbilt Keep Winning? [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-does-vanderbilt-keep-winning/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2026). * "'A Low Moment in Higher Education [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/a-low-moment-in-higher-education/],'" by Freakonomics Radio (2024). * "'If We’re All in It for Ourselves, Who Are We?' [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/if-were-all-in-it-for-ourselves-who-are-we/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2024). * "Why We Choke Under Pressure (and How Not To) [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-we-choke-under-pressure-and-how-not-to/]," by Freakonomics Radio (2018). Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

679. Why Does Vanderbilt Keep Winning?

It’s a hard time to run a university: public trust is low, political pressure is high, and finances are fragile. But Daniel Diermeier, who trained as a political scientist, has Vanderbilt humming. How? He says the key is choosing magnets over wedges.   * SOURCES: * Daniel Diermeier [https://www.vanderbilt.edu/chancellor/biography-diermeier/], chancellor of Vanderbilt University.   * RESOURCES: * "Higher Ed’s New Crisis Managers [https://www.chronicle.com/article/higher-eds-new-crisis-managers]," by Lee Gardner (The Chronicle of Higher Education, 2026). * "Professors Need to Diversify What They Teach [https://www.persuasion.community/p/we-analyzed-university-syllabi-theres]," by Jon Shields, Yuval Avnur, and Stephanie Muravchik (Persuasion, 2025). * "A Call for Constructive Engagement [https://www.aacu.org/newsroom/a-call-for-constructive-engagement]," (American Association of Colleges and Universities, 2025). * "2020 Statement on Anthropology and Human Rights [https://americananthro.org/advocacy-statements/2020-statement-on-anthropology-and-human-rights/]," (American Anthropological Association, 2020). * The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness [https://amzn.to/43Yzf5w], by Michelle Alexander (2010). * "Kalven Committee: Report on the University’s Role in Political and Social Action [https://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/reports/KalvenRprt_0.pdf]," (The University of Chicago, 1967).   * EXTRAS: * Sign up here [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdMQ0RUWCXYQNI0sdz2kj46nOL-diutRkjJ8WxJIXp0n2EHaA/viewform] to pre-screen our new video show. * "'A Low Moment in Higher Education [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/a-low-moment-in-higher-education/],'" by Freakonomics Radio (2024). * "'If We’re All in It for Ourselves, Who Are We?' [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/if-were-all-in-it-for-ourselves-who-are-we/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2024). * "Do Boycotts Work? [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/do-boycotts-work/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2016). Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Insurance forms that make no sense. Subscriptions that can’t be cancelled. A never-ending blizzard of automated notifications. In this update of a 2025 episode, Stephen Dubner discovers where all this sludge comes from — and how much it’s costing us.   * SOURCES: * Benjamin Handel, [https://www.benjaminhandel.com/] professor of economics at UC Berkeley. * Neale Mahoney, [https://nmahoney.people.stanford.edu/] professor of economics at Stanford University. * Richard Thaler, [https://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/richard-thaler] professor of economics at The University of Chicago.   * RESOURCES: * "Selling Subscriptions, [https://nmahoney.people.stanford.edu/sites/g/files/sbiybj23976/files/media/file/mahoney_subscriptions.pdf]" by Liran Einav, Ben Klopack, and Neale Mahoney (Stanford University, 2023). * "The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok, [https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/]" by Cory Doctorow (WIRED, 2023). * "Dominated Options in Health Insurance Plans, [https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/pol.20190312]" by Chenyuan Liu and Justin Sydnor (American Economic Journal: Economic Policy, 2022). * Nudge: The Final Edition [https://amzn.to/4iIjWDN], by Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein (2021). * "Frictions or Mental Gaps: What’s Behind the Information We (Don’t) Use and When Do We Care? [https://eml.berkeley.edu/~bhandel/wp/JEP_Frictions.pdf]" by Benjamin Handel and Joshua Schwartzstein (Journal of Economic Perspectives, 2018). * "Adverse Selection and Switching Costs in Health Insurance Markets: When Nudging Hurts, [https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w17459/w17459.pdf]" by Benjamin Handel (National Bureau of Economic Research, 2011).   * EXTRAS: * "Sludge [https://freakonomics.com/podcast-tag/sludge/]," series by Freakonomics Radio (2025). * "People Aren’t Dumb. The World Is Hard. (Update) [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/people-arent-dumb-the-world-is-hard-update/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2024). * "All You Need is Nudge, [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/all-you-need-is-nudge/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2021). * "How to Fix the Hot Mess of U.S. Healthcare, [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-to-fix-the-hot-mess-of-u-s-healthcare-ep-456/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2021). * "Should We Really Behave Like Economists Say We Do? [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/should-we-really-behave-like-economists-say-we-do/]" by Freakonomics Radio (2015). Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

678. Who Gets to Choose a “Good Death”?

New York is the latest state to legalize medical aid in dying. Stephen Dubner speaks with the governor who signed the law, a Nobel Prize-winning economist, a death doula — and an ethicist who thinks the very idea is wrong.   * SOURCES: * Kathy Hochul [https://www.governor.ny.gov/about-governor-hochul], governor of New York. * Suzanne O'Brien [https://doulagivers.com/meet-suzanne/], death doula, founder of Doulagivers Institute. * Al Roth [https://web.stanford.edu/~alroth/], economist at Stanford University. * Daniel Sulmasy [https://gufaculty360.georgetown.edu/s/contact/00336000014TpfuAAC/daniel-p-sulmasy-phd], physician, philosopher, director of the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University.   * RESOURCES: * Moral Economics: From Prostitution to Organ Sales, What Controversial Transactions Reveal About How Markets Work [https://amzn.to/4ek4g8A], by Al Roth (2026). * "New York Moves to Allow Terminally Ill People to Die on Their Own Terms [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/09/nyregion/assisted-suicide-medical-aid-in-dying.html]," by Grace Ashford (New York Times, 2025). * The Good Death: A Guide for Supporting Your Loved One through the End of Life [https://amzn.to/44fxsJm], by Suzanne O'Brien (2025). * The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia [https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691140971/the-future-of-assisted-suicide-and-euthanasia], by Neil Gorsuch (2009).   * EXTRAS: * "Make Me a Match (Update) [https://freakonomics.com/podcast/make-me-a-match-update/]," by Freakonomics Radio (2023). * Sign up here [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdMQ0RUWCXYQNI0sdz2kj46nOL-diutRkjJ8WxJIXp0n2EHaA/viewform] to pre-screen our new video show. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.