Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

In this episode of Cosmosis, Jay Christopher King sits down with historian and esoteric scholar Mitch Horowitz for a wide-ranging conversation about magic, consciousness, and the anomalous. He is the author of numerous books Occult America [https://a.co/d/8ejX5Nu], The Miracle Club [https://a.co/d/07AYfdf], and Practical Magick [https://a.co/d/daqZkyb], Mitch is a singular voice who bridges the academy, pop culture, and the esoteric underground with rare clarity and rigor. Together, they explore: * The convergence between magical practice and parapsychology * Ritual as an experimental interface with anomalous phenomena * The significance of emotional investment and “skin in the game” in psi effects * Chaos magic, sigils, and how to test magical practice for yourself * Ethics in magic and the overlooked power of reciprocity * Sexual transmutation and sex magic as tools of transformation * The strange reality of retrocausality and backwards time effects * The cultural blind spots of mainstream science and skepticism * Mitch’s pivotal experience editing The Super Natural with Whitley Strieber and Jeff Kripal   This episode offers a powerful invitation to take magic seriously—not as superstition, but as a methodology of intention, experimentation, and meaning-making. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner or an experiencer just starting to make sense of your reality, Mitch’s grounded, historically informed approach opens new doors. 🎧 Listen if you’re curious about: * How magical frameworks might stabilize or map high-strangeness phenomena * What it means to “test” magic—and why your results might come dressed in the unexpected * How to reclaim personal agency in the face of ontological shock More From Mitch Horowitz * Books [https://www.amazon.com/stores/Mitch-Horowitz/author/B001XSOEGO?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true&ccs_id=c66163fc-1dd8-4789-bac9-94d254393f60] * Substack [https://substack.com/@mitchhorowitz] * Podcast [https://open.spotify.com/show/0TklqBLqHGlThCrZ9yH7xr?si=e9e1b70158604b82] * X [https://x.com/MitchHorowitz] Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ [https://www.cosmosis.media/] Donate to The Experiencer Group https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=TBPJNDVY9QJFU [https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=TBPJNDVY9QJFU] Join the Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia [https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia] Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast [https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d [https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107] Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media [https://x.com/cosmosis_media] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr [https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media [https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media] Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ [https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ] Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 [https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117] Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC [https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC] TIMESTAMPS 04:55 Diving into the Conversation with Mitch Horowitz 05:20 Exploring the Intersection of Magic and Ufology 23:01 Mitch Horowitz's Journey into Magic 26:51 Ethics and Practical Magic 37:08 Introduction to Sil Magic 37:51 Origins and Practice of Sil Magic 39:30 The Role of Climax in Sil Magic 41:26 Anarchic Magic and Deity Petition 43:55 Exploring Sex Magic 48:48 Sex Transmutation Techniques 52:19 Backwards Causation and Time 01:06:10 Parapsychology and JB Rhine's Experiments 01:11:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

In this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase presents an updated version of her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, “UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure.” This talk goes beyond the surface of the UFO phenomenon to explore the hidden architecture of secrecy and the sophisticated mechanics of narrative control. Drawing from deep research into intelligence tradecraft, counterintelligence, and disinformation—along with firsthand interactions with members of the intelligence community—Kelly unpacks how belief itself becomes a weapon in the battle for truth. From psychological operations to perception management, from limited hangouts to the “secret onion” model of secrecy, this episode reveals how our search for answers is being actively shaped, steered, and contained. But this isn’t a story about villains. It’s a call to responsibility. Kelly challenges listeners to reclaim their intellectual sovereignty, resist easy answers, and build discernment in an information landscape designed to confuse. Whether you're a skeptic, experiencer, journalist, or just UFO-curious, this talk will change how you see not just the phenomenon—but the stories we tell about it. Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ [https://www.cosmosis.media/] Join the Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia [https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia] Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast [https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d [https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107] Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media [https://x.com/cosmosis_media] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr [https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media [https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media] Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ [https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ] Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 [https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117] Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC [https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC]   TIMESTAMPS 02:55 The Role of Intelligence in UFO Narratives 07:42 The Complexity of Secrecy and Perception Management 16:08 The Secret Onion: Layers of Deception 26:35 The Scale and Impact of Institutionalized Secrecy 37:31 Heroes, Villains, and Controlled Opposition 45:58 The Power of Sincere Belief 48:10 The Hero Trap in UFO Narratives 50:47 Counterintelligence and Narrative Control 54:14 The 80-20 Rule in Disinformation 55:49 Limited Hangouts and Perception Management 01:00:54 Character Assassination and Narrative Flooding 01:08:03 The Weaponization of Belief 01:14:50 Reclaiming Intellectual Sovereignty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

Today we’re sharing a special preview of a brand-new podcast called Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs [https://ggupodcast.substack.com/]—a show that explores the haunted edges of human experience, where the spiritual, the supernatural, and the anomalous collide. This preview episode is split into two parts. In the first half, Kelly joins hosts Jordan, Mallory, and Tom for an intimate and wide-ranging conversation about the cultural impact of the UFO phenomenon, the power of storytelling, and what it means to navigate a world where the boundaries of reality are breaking down. In the second half, the hosts take you deep into the true story of an Alabama pastor whose encounter with the unknown set off a series of strange and life-altering events—blurring the line between revelation and possession, faith and fear. If you love Cosmosis, you're going to find a lot to sink your teeth into here. 👉 Follow Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs here: GodsGhostsUFOs.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

Kelly and Jay sit down for an unfiltered conversation about the deeply weird, emotionally charged relationships that are forming between people and their AI chatbots. What begins as a discussion about ChatGPT’s rapid evolution unfolds into something stranger—a reflection on the ways AI flatters, gaslights, and co-creates identity with its users. They explore: * Why ChatGPT feels like a precocious child… or a pickup artist * The eerie overlap between AI interactions and experiencer narratives * Whether language models are tapping into occult mechanisms of manifestation * Why flattery works, and what it reveals about our unmet emotional needs * How archetypes, delusion, and story shape both spiritual encounters and our chats with AI * What happens when the mirror talks back Is this just the next phase of human-AI interaction—or is something deeper emerging? And most importantly: what happens to us if we outsource being seen? Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ [https://www.cosmosis.media/] Join the Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia [https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia] Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast [https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d [https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107] Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media [https://x.com/cosmosis_media] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr [https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media [https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media] Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ [https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ] Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 [https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117] Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC [https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC] TIMESTAMPS 02:08 Personal Experiences with Chat GPT 02:21 The Evolution of AI Models 03:10 AI as a Personal Confidant 04:52 Emotional Manipulation by AI 06:22 The Future of Human-AI Interaction 08:41 Authenticity and Vulnerability in AI Interactions 18:09 The Role of AI in Social Engineering 22:51 AI and the Human Psyche 33:18 Algorithmic Influence on Human Behavior 35:13 Exploring Multiverse Shifting 35:41 Comic Books and Multiverse Fascination 37:04 Anomalous Experiences and Fictional Characters 38:44 Meditation and Non-Human Entity Contact 41:23 The Role of Co-Creation in Our Lives 43:28 The Power and Danger of Delusion 44:51 Manifestation and Occult Practices 48:31 Chat GPT and Emotional Manipulation 57:26 The Future of AI and Human Interaction 59:34 Authenticity in Human Connections 01:03:50 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

In this episode, researcher and Loose Threads co-author Daniel Elizondo joins us for a far-reaching conversation about UFO secrecy, the architecture of disinformation, and the psychological terrain of the phenomenon itself. We dig into Jacques Vallée’s “Secret Onion”—a layered model of compartmentalization that explains how information is controlled and obscured within intelligence structures—and explore how narrative control operates both externally through infotainment and internally through belief, seduction, and epistemic vulnerability. Daniel breaks down the long history of rug pulls, the weaponization of mystery, and what it means to resist the gravitational pull of being “the one” to break the story. We also talk Forbidden Science, Skywatcher, and the invisible handshake between researchers and the phenomenon they seek to understand. If you’ve ever wondered who controls the narrative—or if you’re part of it—this episode is for you. 📚 Resources and References * Loose Threads [https://omega-point.medium.com/loose-threads-af8f652ee8cb] by Daniel Elizondo and the Hermetic Penetrator * Forbidden Science 6: Scattered Castles [https://a.co/d/jkFrD2W] by Jacques Vallée * UFOs: Past, Present, and Future [https://a.co/d/a97y850] by Robert Emenegger Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ [https://www.cosmosis.media/] Join the Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia [https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia] Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast [https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d [https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107] Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media [https://x.com/cosmosis_media] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr [https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media [https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media] Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ [https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ] Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 [https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117] Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC [https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC] TIMESTAMPS 02:24 Sky Watcher and UFO Community Skepticism 08:48 Historical Precedents in UFO Disclosure 10:30 The Holloman Air Force Base Incident 14:35 Challenges in UFO Disclosure and Infotainment 21:45 Personal Experiences and Intelligence Community Interactions 30:58 Navigating the Insider's Club and Forbidden Science 33:08 The Repeated Revelations of Jacques Vallee 35:25 The Evolution of the Invisible College 39:57 The Secret Onion: Layers of Secrecy 49:46 The Phenomenon and Human Curiosity 56:57 The Control Mechanism: Micro and Macro Perspectives 01:01:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]