Long Game: a Heated Rivalry Podcast

Heated Rivalry, Fan Fiction & AO3: Part 1

Silvan is joined by special guest Jenn from The Book Refuge for a deep dive into the passionate world of Heated Rivalry fandom, fan fiction, and the phenomenon of AO3. Jenn shares her journey into fan fiction culture, including how Heated Rivalry became one of the biggest fandoms on AO3. We unpack why these characters inspire such devotion, what makes romance adaptations so emotionally powerful when done well and why fandom spaces can feel both deeply creative and deeply personal. Together we explore what AO3 actually is and how it works, why Heated Rivalry lends itself so perfectly to fan fiction, the blurred lines between authorship, creativity, and community and the legal and ethical complexities surrounding fan works. If you are a longtime AO3 reader or someone hearing the term for the first time, this episode is a fascinating exploration of why people become so attached to fictional characters why Shane and Ilya continue to resonate so deeply with fans around the world. The next episode of the podcast will be published on Sunday 31st May. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Setup 00:40 Exploring Heated Rivalry and Fan Fiction 03:41 Diving into the Fan Fiction World 06:28 The Impact of Adaptations on Romance 09:42 The Role of AO3 in Fan Fiction 12:29 The Significance of Romance in Storytelling 28:30 Exploring the World of Fan Fiction 30:21 The Legal Landscape of Fan Fiction 37:18 The Gift Economy of Fan Fiction 42:11 The Allure of Heated Rivalry Fan Fiction 46:35 Understanding Tags in Fan Fiction 58:03 The Impact of Wolfbird and Opal Apparition 01:00:33 The Popularity of Fan Fiction 01:02:25 The Impact of Unfinished Works 01:05:17 The Drama Surrounding Fan Fiction Authors 01:07:02 Navigating Fandom and Parasocial Relationships 01:11:03 The Role of Fiction in Understanding Diverse Experiences 01:13:51 Creating a Safe Space in Online Communities 01:14:00 Handling Criticism as a Content Creator 01:15:37 Exploring Diverse Romance in Literature 01:21:00 The Journey into MM Romance Join our Long Game Podcast Book Club on Fable to read along with us each week.: https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC [https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC] Find Jenn: Instagram: thebookrefuge18 Youtube: TheBookRefuge Find us on instagram: longgame.heatedrivalry.pod Write to us: longgamepod2481@gmail.com [longgamepod2481@gmail.com] Find Declan:  Instagram: declan712 Tiktok: declanmccallion1 Find Silvan: Instagram: Silvates Tiktok: silvates1 Listen to the Podcast on: Apple podcast:  Spotify podcast:  Amazon podcast:  Watch it on youtube:  Listen to Silvan’s ‘Silvates’ podcast here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/silvates/id1531620495 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xMX59teVzpf6M86Cv7WG9?si=016f5477aed14697 [https://open.spotify.com/show/2xMX59teVzpf6M86Cv7WG9?si=016f5477aed14697] References for material Jenn spoke about today: Series of YT videos by Jill Bearup: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj4N-R1RQxAs2v9G09lNy4oyAnGBBUtW3&si=d1osuTsCvf_6ykw8 [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj4N-R1RQxAs2v9G09lNy4oyAnGBBUtW3&si=d1osuTsCvf_6ykw8]  An Exhaustive Defense of Fan Fiction: https://youtu.be/wvP_BLMgYBg?si=NoOIu5jxUh3AtigJ [https://youtu.be/wvP_BLMgYBg?si=NoOIu5jxUh3AtigJ]  Ao3’s Mission Statement: https://archiveofourown.org/about [https://archiveofourown.org/about]  Ao3’s FAQ Page: https://archiveofourown.org/faq/about-the-archive?language_id=en#whatisao3 [https://archiveofourown.org/faq/about-the-archive?language_id=en#whatisao3]  Slash Fiction (Wiki): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction#:~:text=It%20is%20commonly%20believed%20that,Spock%22)%20were%20used%20interchangeably [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction#:~:text=It%20is%20commonly%20believed%20that,Spock%22)%20were%20used%20interchangeably]  Reddit Thread about Opal Apparition: https://www.reddit.com/r/heatedrivalryfanfics/comments/1sbnnuz/this_has_actually_made_me_feel_physically_sick/ [https://www.reddit.com/r/heatedrivalryfanfics/comments/1sbnnuz/this_has_actually_made_me_feel_physically_sick/]

Heated Rivalry Book Review: Part 3- Tuna Melt

Declan and Silvan dive into Part 3 the Heated Rivalry book review. We finally reach one of the most emotionally charged turning points in Shane and Ilya’s relationship and we had a lot to say about it. From the aquarium scenes with Hayden and the subtle hints about Shane’s fears around family, to the infamous penthouse chapter, ginger ale, tuna melts, and one devastating use of first names, we unpack how Rachel Reid uses intimacy, domesticity, and even sex itself as storytelling devices.  We explore how these chapters shift Shane and Ilya from “hookups” into something far more vulnerable, and why Shane’s panic feels so heartbreaking once you understand what’s really going on underneath it all. We also discuss queer identity, denial, internalised shame, reclaiming slurs, chosen futures, and how the TV adaptation changes and deepens the emotional beats from the book.  Plus, Declan goes on an anti-pickle rant, we accidentally term the phrase “tuna spit,” and we somehow end up talking about Shakespeare in the middle of all of it. This episode covers chapters 12 onward and sets the stage for one of the most painful stretches of the book. The next episode of the podcast will be published on Sunday 24th May at 10am (GMT). Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Heated Rivalry Podcast 00:28 Exploring Character Development in Chapters 12-15 05:26 The Complexity of Family Dynamics 09:28 The Pressure of Traditional Expectations 12:35 Navigating Identity and Relationships 16:44 The Impact of Language and Labels 24:58 Shane's Sensitivity and Foreshadowing 27:18 The Complexity of Parenthood and Relationships 31:53 Navigating Long-Term Hookup Dynamics 35:40 Sexual Dynamics and Power Play 47:30 The Shift Towards Intimacy 54:02 Confronting Domesticity and Vulnerability 57:34 Conflicted Emotions and Inner Turmoil 58:23 Denial and Acceptance in Relationships 01:00:24 Character Depth: Ilya's Backstory 01:03:50 Intimacy vs. Physicality in Relationships 01:06:46 The Significance of Names in Connection 01:10:18 Emotional Climax and Vulnerability 01:14:04 Conflict and Pacing in Storytelling 01:19:25 Building Intimacy Over Time Join our Long Game Podcast Book Club on Fable to read along with us each week.: https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC [https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC] Find us on instagram: longgame.heatedrivalry.pod Write to us: longgamepod2481@gmail.com [longgamepod2481@gmail.com] Find Declan:  Instagram: declan712 Tiktok: declanmccallion1 Find Silvan: Instagram: Silvates Tiktok: silvates1 Listen to the Podcast on: Apple podcast:  Spotify podcast:  Amazon podcast:  Watch it on youtube: https://youtu.be/tjtQNj3qXr8 Listen to Silvan’s ‘Silvates’ podcast here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/silvates/id1531620495 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xMX59teVzpf6M86Cv7WG9?si=016f5477aed14697

Heated Rivalry Book Review: Part 2 - Vegas

In part two of our Heated Rivalry book review series, Declan and Silvan dive deeper into the emotional chaos, yearning, and tension that turns Shane and Ilya’s relationship from a physical rivalry into something far more dangerous. What started as criticism in part one quickly becomes obsession as the pair unpack chapters 9–11 of and realise this is where the story truly finds its rhythm. We discuss Ryan Price’s introduction and the early exploration of anxiety and mental health and Ilya’s protective instincts and the complicated relationship he has with his father.  We explore why Ilya might be the most psychologically complex character in the series, how trauma and perfectionism shape his behaviour, and why the TV adaptation deepened certain emotional beats even further. Our conversation also unpacks the infamous Vegas scene, the shifting power dynamics between Shane and Ilya, and the subtle ways intimacy is portrayed differently in the books versus the TV show.  Plus, we discuss Rachel Reid’s bonus Ilya POV chapter, why it completely changes the tone of the Vegas encounter, and how it reveals just how heartbreakingly in love Ilya already is. Along the way, there’s discussion of Hudson and Connor’s rising fame, future season predictions for the show, emotional communication failures, improvised TV moments that made fans lose their minds, and why the “we didn’t even kiss” text still hurts. The next episode of the podcast will be published on Sunday 17th May at 10am (GMT). Join our Long Game Podcast Book Club on Fable to read along with us each week.: https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC [https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC] Find us on instagram: longgame.heatedrivalry.pod Write to us: longgamepod2481@gmail.com [longgamepod2481@gmail.com] Find Declan:  Instagram: declan712 Tiktok: declanmccallion1 Find Silvan: Instagram: Silvates Tiktok: silvates1 Listen to Silvan’s ‘Silvates’ podcast here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/silvates/id1531620495 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xMX59teVzpf6M86Cv7WG9?si=016f5477aed14697 Listen to the Podcast on: Apple podcast:  Spotify podcast:  Amazon podcast:  Watch it on youtube: https://youtu.be/Bm92FVXKCHI Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Part Two 01:35 Character Development and Emotional Depth 02:34 Introduction of Ryan Price 04:17 Ilya's Protective Nature 08:37 The Impact of Fame on Characters 11:45 Predictions for Future Seasons 14:35 Character Dynamics and Relationships 17:34 The Evolution of Ilya's Character 20:25 Realism in Character Roles 22:39 Shane's Commitment and Actions 25:33 Yuna's Role in the Story 28:55 Sexual Tension and Writing Quality 31:14 Comparing Book and Show Intimacy 37:53 Pressure of the Olympics on Ilya 39:08 The Weight of Leadership 42:13 Family Dynamics and Personal Struggles 47:32 The Complexity of Relationships 48:59 The Pain of Separation 56:36 The Power of Perspective 59:01 Control and Power Dynamics 01:06:17 The Significance of the Extra Chapter

Heated Rivalry Book Review: Part 1 - First Impressions

In this episode of the podcast, Declan and Silvan dive into the Heated Rivalry book. Covering the first eight chapters, we begin a multi-part deep dive into how the original story compares to the TV adaptation, and whether the book lives up to the hype. Coming to the story from two very different perspectives, Declan as a longtime reader and Silvan as a first-time book reader shaped by the show, our conversation explores first impressions, biases, and the challenge of separating beloved on-screen portrayals from the source material.  We unpack the book’s bold opening, its heavy focus on physical intimacy, and whether the pacing works when read as a standalone versus part of a larger duology. Along the way, we explore key differences in characterisation Our discussion also gets into adaptation choices: what the TV show adds, what it elevates, and what gets lost in translation. Expect thoughtful critique, a bit of gay panic analysis, and plenty of debate about writing choices, tropes, and what makes this story resonate so strongly with fans. The next episode of the podcast will be published on Sunday 10th May at 10am (GMT). Join our Long Game Podcast Book Club on Fable to read along with us each week.: https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC [https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC] Find us on instagram: longgame.heatedrivalry.pod Write to us: longgamepod2481@gmail.com [longgamepod2481@gmail.com] Find Declan:  Instagram: declan712 Tiktok: declanmccallion1 Find Silvan: Instagram: Silvates Tiktok: silvates1 Listen to Silvan’s ‘Silvates’ podcast here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/silvates/id1531620495 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xMX59teVzpf6M86Cv7WG9?si=016f5477aed14697 Listen to the Podcast on: Apple podcast:  Spotify podcast:  Amazon podcast:  Watch it on youtube: https://youtu.be/YIKoVyKK7ms Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Heated Rivalry 03:08 Comparing Heated Rivalry and Game Changer 05:46 Character Analysis: Ilya and Shane 08:31 Differences in Character Portrayal 11:23 Pacing and Emotional Depth 14:47 Sexual Dynamics and Their Purpose 16:53 Prologue and Story Structure 20:13 Time Jumps and Character Development 27:58 Realism in Relationships 31:04 Sound and Storytelling in Adaptation 34:24 Creative Adaptation and Elevation of Material 37:38 Character Perspectives and Narration 39:25 Main Character Dynamics 42:49 Character Arcs and Stakes 47:09 Tropes and Character Descriptions 50:06 Easter Eggs and References 51:18 Character Interactions and Humor 53:31 Exploring Anxiety Through Visual Mediums 54:34 The Dynamics of Sexual Encounters 57:24 Power Dynamics in Relationships 57:32 Navigating Gay Panic and Sexual Awakening 59:53 Emotional Distance and Intimacy 01:02:08 The Complexity of Sexual Experiences 01:03:27 Character Development and Emotional Depth 01:07:16 The Significance of Awards and Recognition 01:11:20 Characterization and Emotional Context 01:12:13 Comparative Analysis of Writing Styles

Masculinity and Sport in Heated Rivalry: Part 2

Declan and Silvan are joined by Lizzy from the Self aware podcast in  Part 2 of this special discussion on masculinity and sport in Heated Rivalry. In this episode, we explore the emotional cost of elite athletic culture through the lens of Shane, Ilya and Scott. Building on last week’s episode, the conversation moves beyond performance and into identity, intimacy, and emotional survival. We question why physical closeness between male athletes encouraged, while emotional vulnerability feels almost impossible. We explore why can Shane and Ilya fight, joke, and touch each other with ease and yet struggle to actually say how they feel. Drawing on her experience coaching young male athletes, Lizzy breaks down how sport teaches men to process emotion through aggression, competition, and physicality, while often neglecting emotional awareness altogether. Together, we discuss everything from performance anxiety and coping strategies to toxic competitiveness, role models, therapy in sport, and the psychological differences between Shane’s controlled overthinking and Ilya’s instinct-driven intensity. The next episode of the podcast will be published on Sunday 3rd May at 10am (GMT). Join our Long Game Podcast Book Club on Fable to read along with us each week.: https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC [https://fable.co/club/long-game-pod-book-club-with-long-game-pod-349252537194?invite=fc285de0-86ea-45c4-ab3f-8dcc82b8cad8&referralID=4tVUzsxlCC] Find us on instagram: longgame.heatedrivalry.pod Write to us: longgamepod2481@gmail.com [longgamepod2481@gmail.com] Find Lizzy: The shelf aware podcast Instagram: @ shelfawarepodcast and @ lizzyb_reads Find Declan:  Instagram: declan712 Tiktok: declanmccallion1 Find Silvan: Instagram: Silvates Tiktok: silvates1 Listen to Silvan’s ‘Silvates’ podcast here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/silvates/id1531620495 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xMX59teVzpf6M86Cv7WG9?si=016f5477aed14697 Listen to the Podcast on: Apple podcast:  Spotify podcast:  Amazon podcast:  Watch it on youtube: https://youtu.be/GcAc7RKrBSM Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Masculinity in Sport 01:28 Physical vs. Emotional Connection in Athletes 04:21 The Importance of Mental Health in Sports 07:29 Role Models and Vulnerability in Athletics 10:31 Coaching Responsibilities and Mental Health Support 13:33 The Impact of Psychological Support on Performance 16:37 Emotional States and Athletic Performance 19:18 Coping Strategies for Athletes 22:16 The Balance of Instinct and Preparation in Sports 25:33 Aggression and Performance Expectations in Hockey 38:51 The Nature of Competition in Sports 44:00 Cultural Influences on Aggression in Sports 48:51 The Balance of Winning and Team Dynamics 54:00 The Role of Coaches and Mentorship in Sports 58:58 The Impact of Role Models in Sports 59:38 Reevaluating Success in Athletic Environments