Drawing Blood

S3 Ep6: Seeing Voices, Margaret Watts Hughes, and the Science of the Invisible

Emma and Christy discover Margaret Watts Hughes's beautiful 'voice figures', a series of images made through the direct action of her voice between 1885 and 1904. In this episode, we discuss the earliest sound recordings, scientific 'instruments' (it's a pun), cat pianos, severed ears, occult science, seaweed scrapbooks, women in STEM, logos and the word of God, visualising the invisible, the Little Mermaid, clairvoyant research, 'thought forms' and the death agonies of pigeons, science and feeling, and why sonic media is always already haunted. CLICK HERE TO VIEW THE IMAGES WE DISCUSS [https://drawingbloodpod.com/seeing-voices-margaret-watts-hughes-and-the-science-of-the-invisible/], as well as complete show notes, references, and suggestions for further reading. MEDIA DISCUSSED Margaret Watts Hughes, Impression Figure [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/1.jpg](c. 1904), courtesy of Cyfarthfa Castle Museum and Art Gallery Margaret Watts Hughes, Tree Form [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2.webp](before 1904) Portrait miniature example: Nicholas Hilliard, Queen Elizabeth I [https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/research/new-research-on-the-collection/queen-elizabeth-i-by-nicholas-hilliard](1572) Anna Atkins, Dictyota Dichotomy (Forkweed) [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/4.jpg] (1848) Illustration from Margaret Watts Hughes, ‘Visible Sound: Voice-Figures’ [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/5.jpg], Century Magazine (1891) Margaret Watts Hughes's eidophone [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/8-houghton.jpg] Example of page from an algae or seaweed scrapbook [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/7-seaweed-scrapbook.jpeg] by Eliza A. Jordan (1848) Georgiana Houghton, Glory Be to God [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/8-houghton.jpg] (1864) ‘Phonautography of the human voice at a distance’ [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/9-phonautogram.png] (lines of recorded sound generated by Scott de Martinville’s ‘phonautograph’, 1857) The graphic method: Étienne-Jules Marey's sphygmograph [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/10.jpg] (a predecessor of modern EKG machines, 1881) Louis Bertrand Castel’s ‘ocular harpsichord’ [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/11a_caricature_of_louis-bertrand_castels__ocular_organ_.jpg] (1725) Isaac Newton's colour spectrum and musical scale analogy [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/12.jpg] (1675) The cat piano [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/13.png] (illustration from La Nature, 1883) The ‘ear phonograph’ [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/14.jpg]of Alexander Graham Bell and Clarence J. Blake (1874), 2018 model by the Science Museum Jan Van Eyck, detail from Annunciation [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/15.png] (c. 1434–36) Simone Martini and Lippo Memmi, detail from The Annunciation showing raised gold lettering [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/16.png](1333) Hippolyte Baraduc, two cameraless photographs showing various feelings [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/17.png] ('restless desire to have phenomena of the hereafter'; 'mental sadness'), 1894–1913 ‘The Music of Gounod’, [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/18.jpg] illustration from Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater's Thought Forms (1901) ‘Aspiration to Enfold All’, [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/19.jpg] illustration from Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater's Thought Forms (1901) ‘Radiating Affection’, [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/20.jpg] illustration from Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater's Thought Forms (1901) ‘The Intention to Know’, [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/21.jpg] illustration from Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater, Thought Forms (1901) Illustration from Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater's Occult Chemistry [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/22.png] (1908) Follow our Twitter @drawingblood_ [http://twitter.com/drawingblood_] Follow our Blue Sky @drawingbloodpod.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/drawingbloodpod.bsky.social] ‘Drawing Blood’ cover art © Emma Merkling, image courtesy of the British Association of Plastic, Reconstructive, and Aesthetic Surgeons All audio content © Emma Merkling and Christy Slobogin Intro music: ‘There Will Be Blood’ by Kim Petras, © BunHead Records 2019. We’re still trying to get hold of permissions for this song – Kim Petras text us back!!

S3 Ep5: David Cronenberg's 'Crimes of the Future', Surgery, and Performance Art

Emma and Christy watch David Cronenberg’s 2022 film Crimes of the Future, exploring the themes of this work while also connecting to some of the director’s earlier movies. In this episode, we discuss the fears and the pleasures of the human body and cutting into it; surgery as sex; Cronenbergian body horror; the monstrous as art; being and becoming cyborgs; evolution and pain; technology as prosthesis; the posthuman; contemporary performance art (good and bad); the cosmetic gaze; the body as text; and meaning making. CLICK HERE TO VIEW THE IMAGES WE DISCUSS [https://drawingbloodpod.com/david-cronenbergs-crimes-of-the-future-surgery-and-performance-art/], as well as complete show notes, references, and suggestions for further reading. MEDIA DISCUSSED David Cronenberg, dir., Crimes of the Future [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZDdjODNkMmYtYjMwNS00NTQzLThlYjUtODY2ZjdjNTNlY2JiXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTkxNjUyNQ@@._V1_.jpg] (2022) First scene with boy playing on beach, cruise ship overturned in water [https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd06d9b59-ca93-4184-a9d8-6bf8168ec17b_1024x462.jpeg] Saul Tenser in the Orchid Bed [https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/60b8967a3053fc31f1ffe80b/653d5686-b38f-4f88-9239-a6656be5e961/_methode_times_prod_web_bin_06505872-2f7f-11ed-b64b-1375cd73757d.jpg] TVs showing ‘BODY IS REALITY’ during Saul and Caprice’s performance [https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14549466/mediaviewer/rm1833899265/] Scuttling, insect-like bureaucrats of the National Organ Registry [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYWRhODZlZjItMDM2Zi00MjlhLThlMjQtNWE5NTk5YjI5Y2I4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyOTc5MDI5NjE@._V1_.jpg] Bureaucrat of the National Organ Registry telling Saul that ‘surgery is new sex [https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/yg1zvso1XsOodVvxUx_jZw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/consequence_of_sound_458/8f36d9c37fb1ce84225812af0b0f5097]’ David Cronenberg, dir., Crash [https://media.kellermandesign.com/2020/08/Crash-1996-David-Cronenberg-theatrical-onesheet-swe.jpg] (1996) Saul Tenser in the BreakFaster Chair [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUbAuYKX0AMZubi.jpg] Saul Tenser’s facial expression at the end of the film [https://static1.moviewebimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Crimes-of-the-Future---Final-Shot-in-BW.jpg] Gian Lorenzo Bernini, The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstasy_of_Saint_Teresa#/media/File:Ecstasy_of_Saint_Teresa_September_2015-2a.jpg] (1652) David Cronenberg, dir., Videodrome [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6lUAAOxyqUpQ6SXx/s-l1600.jpg] (1983) The hand-gun in Videodrome [https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1200/0*N_JROHMZQr7QQgfp.jpeg] David Cronenberg, dir., The Fly [https://i.etsystatic.com/26593283/r/il/4f74ca/2911769448/il_fullxfull.2911769448_hdnt.jpg] (1986) Odile (decorative surgery) performance art [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/86xMLRfg0gg/maxresdefault.jpg] Klinek (ear man) performance art [https://media.gq.com/photos/629a48a1912b92724facb4ad/1:1/w_1200,h_1200,c_limit/CF_D28_Sc28_00982.jpg] ORLAN, The Reincarnation of Saint Orlan [https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/fmkd16oinXKhFzra8LQPvjdM7YBn6KJ_UPKbhRCXfO-iVqC7M_G-hpCfd8KUR4AH8wc2L_2UIbawT8XltMREXcl7QTwIIEO6qO3ZDoqN](1990-1993) Stelarc, Ear on Arm [http://stelarc.org/media/lightbox/data/images/34.jpg](2007 - ) The Swan [https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/PRI_90480506.jpg?quality=90&strip=all] reality show (2004) The autopsy scene [https://scenebygreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/screenshotter-youtube-crimesofthefuturetrailer2022-019.jpg?w=854]  Follow our Twitter @drawingblood_ [http://twitter.com/drawingblood_] Follow our Blue Sky @drawingbloodpod.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/drawingbloodpod.bsky.social] ‘Drawing Blood’ cover art © Emma Merkling, image courtesy of the British Association of Plastic, Reconstructive, and Aesthetic Surgeons All audio content © Emma Merkling and Christy Slobogin Intro music: ‘There Will Be Blood’ by Kim Petras, © BunHead Records 2019. We’re still trying to get hold of permissions for this song – Kim Petras text us back!!

S3 Ep4: Tattoos, 'Deviant' Signs, and Surveilled Skins

Emma and Christy present a brief history of tattooing in Europe. We talk tattoos as art history; sailors and soldiers; the archival (in)visibility of tattoos; the ‘Cook myth’, colonial contact, and contagion; syphilitic tattoos and pathologisation; working class bodies; tattoos and material culture; criminal anthropology; pain; the skin ego; danger and deviance; the limits of interpretation and (il)legibility of signs; ‘fugitive’ images; pilgrim tattoos; and art histories from below. CLICK HERE TO VIEW THE IMAGES WE DISCUSS [https://drawingbloodpod.com/tattoos-deviant-signs-and-surveilled-skins/], as well as complete show notes, references, and suggestions for further reading. MEDIA DISCUSSED  Human skin with tattoos of two women's heads and a sailor [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Human_skin_tattooed_with_two_women%27s_heads_and_a_sailor%2C_Fra_Wellcome_L0057039.jpg/1790px-Human_skin_tattooed_with_two_women%27s_heads_and_a_sailor%2C_Fra_Wellcome_L0057039.jpg], French (1880–1920), Wellcome Collection / Science Museum Gustave Caillebotte, Rue de Paris, temps de pluie [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_de_Paris,_temps_de_pluie#/media/Fichier:Caillebotte_Rue_de_Paris.jpg] (1877) Human skin with tattoo of a mermaid [https://www.histoire-du-tatouage.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Special-signs-Katarzyna-Mirczak-3.jpg.webp], Polish (late 19th–early 20th century), photographed by Katarzyna Mirczak (2010). For the exact specimen we discuss see Lodder, 'Things of the Sea' [https://www.liverpooluniversitypress.co.uk/doi/10.3828/sj.2015.24.2.5] (2015), fig. 11. Photograph showing a man with tattoos and a black eye [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/5.png] (late 19th–early 20th century), published in Lombroso, Criminal Man [https://archive.org/details/criminalmanaccor1911lomb/page/236/mode/2up] (1911) Staffordshire cream-ware bowl with inscription 'When this you see,/ remember me / And bear me in your mind / Let all the world,/ say what they will,/ Speak of me as you find' [http://www.rareelements.com/shop/?s=rare-18th-century-english-cream-ware-black-transferware-bowl], (late 18th century) Diagram showing Ötzi the Ice Man's tattoos [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/7.3.jpg] (c. 3230 BCE), from Krutak, 'Therapeutic Tattooing in the Arctic' (2019) Sydney Parkinson (the artist on Captain Cook's first voyage to New Zealand), portrait of a Maori man with facial tattoos [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/8.jpg] (1769) Print showing signs signs of syphilis on the site of a tattoo [https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.24786892?searchText=tattoo&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dtattoo%26scope%3DeyJpZCI6ICIxMDAxODExODciLCAicGFnZU5hbWUiOiAiT3BlbjogV2VsbGNvbWUgQ29sbGVjdGlvbiIsICJwYWdlVXJsIjogIi9zaXRlL2FydHN0b3Ivb3Blbi13ZWxsY29tZS1jb2xsZWN0aW9uLyIsICJ0eXBlIjogImNvbGxlY3Rpb24iLCAicG9ydGFsTmFtZSI6ICJBcnRzdG9yIiwgInBvcnRhbFVybCI6ICIvc2l0ZS9hcnRzdG9yLyJ9%26so%3Drel%26pagemark%3DeyJwYWdlIjoyLCJzdGFydCI6MjUsInRvdGFsIjoxMjR9%26groupefq%3DWyJjb250cmlidXRlZF9pbWFnZXMiLCJjb250cmlidXRlZF92aWRlbyIsImNvbnRyaWJ1dGVkX3RleHQiLCJjb250cmlidXRlZF9wYW5vcmFtYXMiLCJjb250cmlidXRlZF9jb250YWluZXIiLCJjb250cmlidXRlZF9hdWRpbyJd&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A600d279d379781489a41f6aed55f5732] (1889), from 'Notes of Cases on an Outbreak of Syphilis following on Tattooing' (1889) Wax anatomical venus [https://i0.wp.com/nursingclio.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Late-18th-century-anatomical-venus-Josephinum-Museum-Vienna.jpg?ssl=1], Josephinum Museum of the Medical University of Vienna (late 18th century) Princess of Ukok (Siberia), with tattoos [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/10-2707236321-e1722263512860.jpg] (5th century BCE) Print of the pilgrim tattoo of Ratge(r) Stubbe [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/12.webp] (c. 1669), showing Arms of Jerusalem tattoo Example of material culture with iconography similar to contemporaneous tattoos: Convict love token, 'When this you see, remember me' [https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=342665] (c. 1831-1832) Tattoos by Sutherland Macdonald [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/presentation1-3930147745-e1722264439890.jpg] (late 19th century) Photograph of incarcerated person known as 'Fromain' [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/18-fromain-3097736140-e1722263761475.png] (1901), Archives de la préfecture de police, Paris, published in Angel, 'Roses & Daggers' (2015) Drawing from Lombroso archives of the tattooed body of incarcerated person Francesco Spiteri, with labels describing and categorising his tattoos [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/19.jpg] (1889), Museum of Criminal Anthropology, University of Turin Dried human skin specimen from the body of 'Fromain' [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/20-2322626082-e1722263870413.png] (late 19th century), Wellcome Collection / Science Museum, published in Angel, 'Roses & Daggers' (2015) CREDITS Visit our website drawingbloodpod.com [http://drawingbloodpod.com] Follow our Twitter @drawingblood_ [https://twitter.com/drawingblood_] Follow our Bluesky @drawingbloodpod.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/drawingbloodpod.bsky.social] ‘Drawing Blood’ cover art © Emma Merkling All audio and content © Emma Merkling and Christy Slobogin Intro music: ‘There Will Be Blood’ by Kim Petras, © BunHead Records 2019. We’re still trying to get hold of permissions for this song – Kim Petras text us back!!

S3 Ep3: Alchemy, Androgyny, and the Paintings of Remedios Varo

In this episode, Emma and Christy look at the complex paintings of the Spanish-Mexican Surrealist painter Remedios Varo (1908-1963). During our conversation, we discuss female alchemists, artist’s studio-as-laboratory, science and occultism, the overlapping practices of spiritual and material transformation, Carl Jung and esotericism in psychoanalysis, the Fourth Dimension, ‘objective art’, and alchemical androgyny. CLICK HERE TO VIEW THE IMAGES WE DISCUSS [https://drawingbloodpod.com/alchemy-androgyny-and-the-paintings-of-remedios-varo/], as well as complete show notes, references, and suggestions for further reading. WORKS DISCUSSED Remedios Varo, Useless Science, or The Alchemist [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F17c3mh4cnla61.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dd10f78ce59e3ade069ec6413c8b42bf31265d071] [or, La Mujer Alquimista] (1955) Example illustration of a Rube Goldberg Machine [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_machine#/media/File:Rube_Goldberg's_%22Self-Operating_Napkin%22_(cropped).gif] (1931) Evelyn De Morgan, The Love Potion [https://www.demorgan.org.uk/collection/the-love-potion/] (1903) Remedios Varo, La Llamada (The Call) [https://nmwa.org/art/collection/la-llamada-call/] (1961) Remedios Varo, Creation of the Birds [https://www.wikiart.org/en/remedios-varo/creation-of-the-birds] (1957) Albrecht Dürer, Saint Jerome in His Study [https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/336229] (1514) Adriaen van Utrecht, Still Life with Parrot, or Allegory of Fire [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Adriaen_van_Utrecht_-_Still_life_with_parrot%2C_an_allegory_of_fire.jpg] (1636)  David Teniers the Younger, The Alchemist  [https://www.mauritshuis.nl/en/our-collection/artworks/261-the-alchemist/](1650) Kati Horna, Portrait of Remedios Varo in her Studio [https://nmwa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Varo-Remedios.jpg] (with crystal on easel) (1963) Remedios Varo, The Juggler (The Magician) [https://www.moma.org/collection/works/291307] (1956) Remedios Varo, Woman Leaving the Psychoanalyst (Could Be Juliana) [https://i0.wp.com/hyperallergic-newspack.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2023/10/Varo2.jpg?resize=1156%2C2048&quality=100&ssl=1] (1960) Marc Chagall, Homage to Apollinaire [https://www.marcchagall.net/assets/img/paintings/homage-to-apollinaire.jpg] (1911-1912) Marcel Duchamp, The Bride Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, Even (The Large Glass) [https://philamuseum.org/collection/object/54149] (1915-1923) Remedios Varo, Harmony [https://i.etsystatic.com/48264252/r/il/ea8575/5734450580/il_1588xN.5734450580_fwbc.jpg] (1956) Example of an alchemical androgyne from Aurora consurgens [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Aurora_consurgens_zurich_002_f-VD-2_conjoined.jpg] (15th century) Remedios Varo, The Escape [https://biblioklept.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/c88dfd7bf5f2cdf78971920dbb659cc7.jpg] (1961) REFERENCES Caitlin Haskell and Tere Arcq, Remedios Varo: Science Fictions [https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300273212/remedios-varo/] (New Haven: Yale University Press, 2023) Sven Dupré, Laboratories of Art: Alchemy and Art Technology from Antiquity to the 18th Century [https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-05065-2] (London: Springer, 2014) Pamela Smith, ‘Laboratories’, in The Cambridge History of Science, vol. 3: Early Modern Science, ed. by Lorraine Daston and Katharine Park (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2006), 289–305 Mary Anne Atwood, A Suggestive Inquiry into the Hermetic Mystery (Edinburgh: William Tait, 1918 [1850]) Pamela Thurschwell, Literature, Technology and Magical Thinking, 1880–1920 (Cambridge University Press, 2001) Carl Jung, On the Psychology and Pathology of So-Called Occult Phenomena (1902)  Carl Jung, Psychology and Alchemy (London: Routledge, 1980 [1944]) Linda Dalrymple Henderson, The Fourth Dimension and Non-Euclidean Geometry in Modern Art [https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262536554/the-fourth-dimension-and-non-euclidean-geometry-in-modern-art/] (Boston: MIT Press, 2018) Charles Howard Hinton, The Fourth Dimension (London: George Allen, 1912) George I. Gurdjieff, In Search of Being: The Fourth Way to Consciousness [https://www.google.com/books/edition/In_Search_of_Being/LNkvEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0], ed. Stephen A. Grant (Boulder, CO: Shambhala, 2021) Salomon Trismosin, Splendor Solis (1582) FURTHER READING Tere Arcq, ed., Five Keys to the Secret World of Remedios Varo (Mexico City: Artes de México, 2008) Micah James Goodrich, ‘Trans Animacies and Premodern Alchemies’, in Medieval Mobilities: Gendered Bodies, Spaces, and Movements [https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-12647-5] (London: Springer, 2023) Emma Merkling, ‘Physics, Psychical Research, and the Self: Evelyn De Morgan’s Spiritualist Portraits’, Art History 46.3 (2023): 458–83 You can read more about Emma’s project on alchemy here [https://itatti.harvard.edu/people/emma-merkling]! Mark Morrisson, Modern Alchemy: Occultism and the Emergence of Atomic Theory (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2007) Ricardo Ovalle, et al., Remedios Varo: Catálogo Razonado / Catalogue Raisonné (Mexico City: Ediciones Era, 1994) Lawrence M. Principe, ‘Alchemy I: Introduction,’ in Dictionary of Gnosis & Western Esotericism (London: Brill, 2005), 12-16 Arturo Schwarz, ‘Alchemy, Androgyny and Visual Artists,’ Leonardo 13, no. 1 (Winter 1980), 57-62 Pamela Smith, The Business of Alchemy [https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691173238/the-business-of-alchemy]: Science and Culture in the Holy Roman Empire (Princeton, N.J. : Princeton University Press, 1994) Remedios Varo, Letters, Dreams, and Other Writings, trans. Margaret Carson (Cambridge, MA: Wakefield Press, 2018)

S3 Ep2: Cannibalism on Film, Empathy, and Eating Disorders

Emma and Christy watch Julia Ducournau’s first feature film, the cannibal coming-of-age body horror flick 'Grave' (or 'Raw'), 2016. In this episode, we cover cinéma du corps and New French Extremity, empathy and monstrosity, the horrors of being a girl, the horrors of being in a body, eating disorders, veterinary science, ‘being meat’ and becoming animal, vegan cinema, self control, desire, and what it means to be a moral cannibal — and a moral subject. CLICK HERE TO VIEW THE IMAGES WE DISCUSS [https://drawingbloodpod.com/cannibalism-on-film-empathy-and-eating-disorders/], as well as complete show notes, references, and suggestions for further reading. MEDIA DISCUSSED  Julia Doucournau, dir., Grave (Raw) [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/1-1.jpeg] (2016) Julia Doucournau, dir., Titane [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/2-1.jpg] (2021) Marina de Van, Dans Ma Peau (In My Skin) [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/2.jpg] (2002) Eadweard Muybridge, Running (Galloping) [https://media.getty.edu/iiif/image/796d1cdb-c945-4214-94cb-de9390993981/full/1000,/0/default.jpg] (1878–79), animated here [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/The_Horse_in_Motion-anim.gif] Horse running on a treadmill [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-29-at-16.29.28-1.png] (still from Grave) Eadweard Muybridge, Male Running [https://media.getty.edu/iiif/image/6185807a-e697-4e1b-8189-c7c659ef6661/full/1000,/0/default.jpg] (1878–79) Close-up of Justine during the monkey rape discussion [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-30-at-11.57.37.png] (still from Grave) Horse being tranquillised [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-30-at-12.18.59.png] (still from Grave) Students crawling over ground during hazing [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-29-at-18.08.58.png] (still from Grave) Justine eats Alex’s finger [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/finger.jpeg] (still from Grave) Hair vomiting scene [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-30-at-12.00.27-4249999416-e1717074130327.png] (still from Grave) ‘Two fingers will make it come up faster’ [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-30-at-12.00.42.png] (still from Grave) Henry Van der Weyde, Patient 4, a and b [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-29-at-17.18.53.jpeg] (1882), image published in Sidlauskas, ‘Before and After’ (2017), courtesy of The College of Physicians of Philadelphia Henry Van der Weyde, Patient 5, a and b  [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-29-at-17.19.19.jpeg](1882), image published in Sidlauskas, ‘Before and After’ (2017), courtesy of The College of Physicians of Philadelphia ‘C’est pas humain’ [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-30-at-12.19.33.png] (still from Grave) Justine waking up in the blood of Adrien [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/adriens-body.jpeg] (still from Grave) Justine holds the rod against Alex’s head [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-30-at-14.56.29.png] (still from Grave) Justine washes the blood off Alex [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-30-at-12.11.09-1.png] (still from Grave) Justine and Alex’s faces blurring together on the prison glass [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-29-at-18.07.46.png] (still from Grave) The father’s chest [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/fathers-chest.jpeg] (still from Grave) Justine gets a nosebleed watching Adrien play football [https://drawingbloodpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/last.jpeg] (still from Grave) CREDITS Follow our Twitter @drawingblood_ [https://twitter.com/drawingblood_] Follow our Bluesky @drawingbloodpod.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/drawingbloodpod.bsky.social] ‘Drawing Blood’ cover art © Emma Merkling All audio and content © Emma Merkling and Christy Slobogin Intro music: ‘There Will Be Blood’ by Kim Petras, © BunHead Records 2019. We’re still trying to get hold of permissions for this song – Kim Petras text us back!!