The Boldin Your Money Podcast

Fiona Ma & David Teykaerts: What Happens Next for CalSavers?

In this episode of Boldin Your Money, host Steve Chen sits down with California State Treasurer Fiona Ma and CalSavers Executive Director David Teykaerts to explore how California is tackling the retirement savings gap through the CalSavers program. Fiona shares her personal journey from the private sector into public service and explains the treasurer’s broader role as the state’s banker, overseeing investments, bonds, and multiple savings initiatives. Together, Fiona and David walk through why CalSavers was created, how automatic payroll savings can dramatically increase participation, and why default design, low fees, and simplicity matter most for workers who’ve historically lacked access to retirement plans. The conversation highlights the program’s scale and impact—hundreds of thousands of savers, billions saved, and growing along with lessons about behavioral finance, employer responsibility, and the power of “set it and forget it” systems to build long-term financial security for everyday Californians.

The Automatic Millionaire in an Automated World

David Bach joins Steve Chen to discuss the evolution of The Automatic Millionaire and his newest idea, the IRA Flat Tax, which aims to rethink how Americans use their retirement savings. Bach explains that decades of automation have helped millions accumulate wealth, but most retirees now delay spending their money until required minimum distributions, leaving trillions of dollars idle. He proposes a limited window allowing early retirement withdrawals at a flat tax rate to encourage spending, improve retiree quality of life, and stimulate the economy. The conversation also explores the difficulty of shifting from saving to spending, the importance of enjoying wealth while health allows, and how AI is reshaping financial planning without replacing the need for human guidance, reinforcing Bach’s long-held belief that money is ultimately a tool to support a better life.

You Can Afford Anything, but Not Everything” with Paula Pant

In this episode of Boldin Your Money, Steve Chen catches up with Paula Pant, founder of Afford Anything to explore how her work and thinking have evolved. Paula shares how earning a graduate degree in economic journalism deepened her approach to personal finance, why her audience is juggling more competing priorities than ever, and how rising uncertainty is shaping financial behavior. She and Steve discuss housing lock-in, geo-arbitrage, and the growing value of human soft skills in an AI-driven world. Paula also breaks down her “Double-I FIRE” framework and explains why real estate, entrepreneurship, and empowered decision-making matter more than ever.

Money Confidence for Real Life with Katy Song

In this episode of Boldin Your Money, host Steve Chen sits down with Katy Song, a Certified Financial Planner based in Mill Valley, to explore how modern families can achieve financial confidence and “work optionality.” Katy shares her journey from investment banking to flat-fee financial planning, driven by a desire to help young families make smarter money decisions without needing large investable assets. The discussion spans real-life financial challenges in Bay Area cost of living, homeownership versus renting, intergenerational planning, and the psychology of money. Katy emphasizes holistic advice over asset management, revealing trends like women becoming the primary earners, the growing “sandwich generation,” and the emotional side of money stress. Her core message: true financial success comes from clarity, balance, and aligning money with personal values.

Real Retirement Stories: Leslie and Thomas Martin

Leslie and Thomas Martin share how years of consistent saving and do-it-yourself planning helped them confidently retire early and enjoy life on their own terms. Starting with the classic “save 10%” rule, they eventually built detailed retirement models using Boldin, holding regular “family finance” meetings to test scenarios and understand when and how they could retire. Those tools gave them peace of mind and what they call a “license to spend”—freedom to enjoy their go-go years without fear of running out of money. They stay invested, manage taxes carefully, and keep a cash cushion for market swings. Now traveling the country in their Winnebago Revel, they focus on experiences, community, and helping their kids learn smart money habits. Their advice: plan several years before you retire, keep learning, use planning tools, and make your money work for you so you can spend confidently and live fully. Big lessons: have a plan (even if it changes), invest (not just save), stress-test worst cases, and use community and coaching for confidence.