S2E9 // Wolves in Shepherds' Clothes: Clergy Sexual Abuse in the Orthodox Church (Guest: Dr. Hermina Nedelescu)
Heads up: this episode discusses sexual abuse and spiritual abuse within the Church. Please be kind to yourself.
Today we sit down with neuroscientist Dr. Hermina Nedelescu for a wide-ranging and deeply important conversation about clergy sexual abuse, spiritual abuse, institutional complicity, and what healing and accountability might look like within the Orthodox Church. We discuss the neurological relationship between abuse and addiction, and why traumatic experiences often shape behaviors in ways that are misunderstood morally, pastorally, and spiritually.
Hermina also shares about her path toward advocacy for survivors of clergy sexual abuse and the founding of Prosopon Healing, an organization devoted to survivor support, education, accountability, and cultural change within Orthodox contexts.
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We also talk about:
* Neuroscience and the evolving theological conversation on what it means to be human
* The neurological connections between abuse and addictions
* Hermina’s path to advocacy for survivors of clergy sexual abuse and the founding of Prosopon Healing
* Why is disclosure so extraordinarily difficult for sexual abuse survivors
* How does the narrative of “one bad apple” diminish our solidarity and shared responsibility to prevent abuse and protect each other
* Spiritual abuse and how it paves the way for other kinds of abuse, including sexual abuse, within church communities
* The use of power in church communities and how Christ described the appropriate use of power
* “Seeing the plank” in our own eye – Becoming more aware to our own complicity and choosing differently
Resources and links mentioned:
* Nicole Lyon Roccas, “Not Everything is Beneficial: Fr. Seraphim Rose and the Nature of Complicity [https://recreationpodcast.substack.com/p/not-everything-is-beneficial-fr-seraphim]” (May 12, 2026)
* Article: Emily M. Hicks et al., “Decoding the Transcriptomic Signatures of Psychological Trauma in Human Cortex and Amygdala,” October 23, 2024, https://doi.org/10.1101/2024.10.23.619681 [https://doi.org/10.1101/2024.10.23.619681].
* Prosopon Healing:
https://www.prosoponhealing.com/ [https://www.prosoponhealing.com/]
* The Betrayal Bond by Patrick Carnes
https://www.drpatrickcarnes.com/the-betrayal-bond [https://www.drpatrickcarnes.com/the-betrayal-bond]
* The Milgram Experiments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment]
* “Descent Into Light” Podcast by the Sisters of the Little Way
https://www.sistersofthelittleway.com/podcast [https://www.sistersofthelittleway.com/podcast]
* Predators by Anna Salter
https://enoughabuse.org/get-the-facts/predators-pedophiles-rapists-and-other-sex-offenders/ [https://enoughabuse.org/get-the-facts/predators-pedophiles-rapists-and-other-sex-offenders/]
* Poem: Please Call Me By My True Names By Thich Nhat Hanh [https://meredithsuewillis.com/Call%20Me%20By%20My%20True%20Name%20Thich%20Nhat%20Hanh.pdf]
Other resources about spiritual abuse and clergy sexual abuse:
Some of these resources pertain to these issues in broader Christian or religious contexts. Those produced by/for Orthodox contexts are listed first and marked with an asterisk (*).
* “Resources for Survivors.” Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) website. (https://snapnetwork.org/resources-for-survivors/ [https://snapnetwork.org/resources-for-survivors/]). May 11, 2026.*
* “Services for Survivors [https://www.prosoponhealing.com/services-7-1],” Prosopon Healing.*
* “Ongoing Research: Clergy-Perpetrated Sexual Abuse in the Orthodox Church,” [https://www.prosoponhealing.com/single-project]Prosopon Healing (2024).*
* “Parish Ministry Resources - When The Unspeakable Happens,” [https://www.oca.org/parish-ministry/parishdevelopment/when-the-unspeakable-happens] Ellen Gvosdev, OCA.org (1994).*
* For Orthodox clergy: “Role of Leadership in Clergy Sexual Misconduct Cases.” [https://www.prosoponhealing.com/services-7]Prosopon Healing.*
* “The Prevalence of Child Sexual Abuse Perpetrated by Leaders or Other Adults in Religious Organizations in Australia,” [https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2024.106946]Gabrielle R. Hunt et al., Child Abuse & Neglect 155 (September 2024).
* Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church, Diane Langberg (2020).
* “Researchers Reveal Patterns of Sexual Abuse in Religious Settings,” [https://www.ualberta.ca/en/folio/2020/08/researchers-reveal-patterns-of-sexual-abuse-in-religious-settings.html] Ualberta.ca (2020).
* Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores, Diane Langberg (2015).
* “What Is Clergy Sexual Misconduct? - MCC Abuse Response & Prevention,” [https://abuseresponseandprevention.ca/clergy-sexual-misconduct/what-is-clergy-sexual-misconduct/]Abuse Response & Prevention (March 6, 2025).
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