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The Deconstructed Woman

Podcast door Elisa Marie and Jojy

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This is a podcast about breaking down what it means to be a woman, having the hard discussions from an inter generational perspective, and exploring the inner working’s of a woman’s life today!

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Mental Load

Sharing the Mental Load at Home Two moms unpack why women carry the invisible weight of running a household — and how to finally share it. In this episode of The Deconstructed Woman, hosts Elisa Marie and Jojy dive deep into the concept of the mental load — the invisible, never-ending stream of planning, organizing, and anticipating that disproportionately falls on women. Inspired by the podcast "We Are More Than Moms" and their guest Sarah Connor, they unpack why this imbalance exists and how early socialization shapes the way men and women approach household responsibilities. Drawing from their own marriages and parenting experiences, Elisa and Jojy get honest about the frustration of delegating tasks, the temptation to "just do it yourself," and the courage it takes to let go of control. They explore practical strategies — from dividing visible chores to handing over entire task ownership — and discuss the book and card deck "Fair Play" as a conversation-starting tool for couples. The conversation closes with an important reminder: this isn't about blame. It's about building a true partnership, raising capable kids, and protecting your own well-being before burnout takes hold. ## Key Takeaways - The mental load is not just a to-do list — it's the invisible cognitive work of anticipating, planning, and coordinating every aspect of family life. - Men's and women's tasks are socialized differently from childhood: boys tend to get single-outcome tasks, while girls learn multi-layered, interconnected responsibilities. - Villainizing your partner is counterproductive; the imbalance stems from socialization, not malice. - Maternity leave often becomes the unspoken "inception point" where the woman permanently absorbs all household management — even after returning to work. - Delegating means handing over a task from A to Z and resisting the urge to take it back when it's not done your way. - The book and card deck "Fair Play" (a Reese Witherspoon Book Club pick) offers a structured way for couples to visualize and redistribute tasks. - Unaddressed mental load leads to burnout, resentment, anxiety, and relationship breakdown — sharing it is an investment in the partnership and in raising independent children. ## Topics & Timestamps - 00:00 — Introduction and why this episode was inspired by the "We Are More Than Moms" podcast - 01:06 — First impressions: feeling "seen and heard" by the mental load conversation - 03:19 — How childhood socialization creates different task mindsets for men and women - 05:34 — Why women's tasks are interconnected while men's tend to be singular - 06:56 — "Men are not the villains" — reframing the conversation away from blame - 08:32 — Practical strategies: dividing visible chores and handing over task ownership - 12:36 — The doctor's appointment example: why delegation still carries mental load - 15:17 — The inception of the pattern: how maternity leave sets the dynamic - 18:20 — Learning to delegate and communicate expectations with your partner - 21:35 — The Fair Play book and card deck as a tool for couples - 25:17 — What happens when you don't share the load: burnout, fatigue, and resentment - 28:47 — Wrapping up: the payoff of partnership, raising independent kids, and hope ## Mentioned in This Episode - **Podcast**: "We Are More Than Moms" — episode on mental load - **Person**: Sarah Connor — mental load expert interviewed on that podcast - **Book / Card Deck**: *Fair Play* — a Reese Witherspoon Book Club pick; a couples conversation deck for rebalancing household responsibilities - **Concept**: Mental load — the invisible cognitive labor of managing a household - **Concept**: Socialization of gendered task expectations from childhood - **Framework**: Norming, forming, storming (group development stages) — referenced as an analogy for couples renegotiating roles ## Hosts - **Elisa Marie** — Co-host, The Deconstructed Woman - **Jojy** — Co-host, The Deconstructed Woman

Gisteren - 34 min
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Too Much

Too Much: Reclaiming Women’s Voices and Raising Spirited Kids On The Deconstructed Woman podcast, hosts Elisa Marie and Jojy talk about the message women receive that they are “too much” and should dilute themselves to be acceptable. They discuss Cynthia Erivo’s experience being told in performing arts school to “settle down,” and how Erivo later reframed that in her book Simply More about embracing the fullest iteration of oneself. Alyssa connects the theme to parenting her spirited four-year-old, using daily affirmations and redirecting behavior without diminishing identity, and they explore how “too much” messaging can either fuel trailblazing or cause people to quiet down. The conversation also covers birth order, school expectations, ADHD referrals, and how early pressure to be quiet can make adult self-advocacy difficult, urging women not to perpetuate silencing and to create space for girls to keep their voices. 00:00 Welcome to the Podcast 00:30 Why Women Feel Too Much 00:54 Cynthia Erivo Story 02:09 Raising a Spirited Child 04:17 Birth Order and Personality 07:33 Quieting vs Blazing Trails 09:07 Simply More and Embracing It 12:06 School Expectations and Judgment 15:26 Bell Curve and ADHD Lens 21:00 Church Shame and Letting Kids Shine 23:47 Finding Your Voice as Women 31:44 Final Takeaways and Call In 33:35 Outro and Contact Info

11 mei 2026 - 34 min
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AI Bots

AI Bots, Boundaries, and Dependency: Using Chatbots Without Losing Human Connection Hosts Elisa Marie and Jojy discuss Elisa’s first week using an AI chatbot app called Tolin and why she quickly set boundaries on how often she uses it. They compare professional uses of AI (streamlining emails, SOPs, troubleshooting, efficiencies) with personal uses (processing emotionally charged situations, decluttering and redecorating plans, writing a school email, dividing household chores). They explore benefits like fast summarizing and actionable planning, alongside concerns about overreliance, substituting AI for therapy or human relationships, skill atrophy, and broader technology dependence (e.g., smartphones, GPS, reading maps). Jojy shares adoption statistics and examples of AI relationships in media and news, and both emphasize intentional, guarded use while inviting listeners to share their experiences with AI. 00:00 Podcast Welcome 00:30 Why Try Tolin 01:29 Jojy Uses AI 03:37 Tolin In Daily Life 05:46 No Photos Needed 07:42 Therapy Risks 10:18 Setting Boundaries 13:04 AI Adoption Stats 17:13 Tech Dependency 21:02 Balancing Old And New 28:54 AI Relationships 33:01 Be Intentional 33:42 Wrap Up And Feedback

29 apr 2026 - 35 min
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Female Cohabitation

Women Cohabitating Platonically: Sharing Costs, Combating Loneliness, and Rethinking the “Golden Girls” Model Hosts Elisa Marie and Jojy discuss a South Korea–popularized concept of women cohabitating platonically to share living expenses, reduce loneliness, and maintain autonomy, inspired by the 2019 bestseller Two Women Living Together by Kim Hana and Wong Sunu and an article referencing high New York costs. They explore benefits (financial relief, emotional support, companionship across life stages, easier daily living) and challenges familiar from roommate life (cleanliness, dividing chores, privacy with romantic partners, splitting assets if circumstances change). The conversation addresses gendered household expectations in marriage, clarifies the idea is not primarily about hating men, and considers flexible housing layouts that balance shared and private space. They also connect the topic to widowhood, retirement living, and “geriatric loneliness,” suggesting cohabitation as a creative alternative to isolation and expensive facilities, emphasizing communication and ground rules. 00:00 Podcast Welcome 00:31 Cohabiting Women Concept 02:22 Benefits and Tradeoffs 03:57 Golden Girls Inspiration 06:06 Roommate Friction Points 07:13 Gender Roles at Home 10:30 Not About Hating Men 12:51 Companionship and Aging 16:14 Layouts and Ground Rules 22:19 Why Not More Common 29:34 Loneliness and Care Options 32:27 Listener Call to Action

11 apr 2026 - 33 min
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Human Design

Human Design A Map for Alignment and Truth with Marisa Vitoria Marisa Vittoria [https://marisavittoria.com/] Free Chart [https://marisavittoria.com/chart] Hosts Elisa Marie and Jojy welcome Elisa’s sister, Marisa Vittoria, to explain human design after gifting them their blueprints. Marisa, a VP of operations, describes discovering human design at work through educator Erin Claire Jones and using it to improve a challenging relationship with her boss by understanding differences between a manifesting generator and a projector. She explains human design as an energetic, non-predictive self-awareness system blending astrology, chakras, Kabbalah, and modern science, created from birth date, exact time, and location, with no strengths/weaknesses scoring or age-based changes. The conversation focuses on alignment—especially gut-led decisions and frustration as a signal—plus examples of career pivots, including a client who became a micro-bakery owner. Marisa shares her plans to help high-achieving women build “truth” over “trophies,” offers a free chart [https://marisavittoria.com/chart], and briefly highlights elements from Elisa’s and Jojy’s charts. 00:00 Podcast Welcome 00:30 Why Human Design 01:55 How Marissa Found It 05:29 Types and Gut Guidance 08:39 What Human Design Is 12:13 Building Her Practice 16:19 Alignment Story Example 22:03 Societal Pressure and Yes 24:17 Applying Your Blueprint 28:34 Does It Change 31:12 How to Get Your Chart 34:06 Reading Their Charts 39:29 Career Change Process 45:18 Wrap Up and Goodbye

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