When Gathering Light

WGL Season 4: Episode 3 Exploring Spiritual Abuse Part 2

Matt and Victoria are joined in Akron Recording Studio with Jeff Gray, LPCC and licensed minister. Jeff has decades of experience working with marriages, families and ministers. He is passionate about educating ministers and other groups in self-care, emotional health, and the effects of spiritual abuse. Jeff loves to see an individual have a true revelation of their identity in Christ, aside from what they can accomplish, and apply this revelation throughout their daily life. In these next 2 episodes Matt, Victoria and Jeff discuss the impacts of spiritual abuse by leaders in the church, ministry, communities and families. This is an important topic for many to explore, and we are thankful for Jeff's willingness to share both his professional and personal experiences with us.

WGL Season 4: Episode 3 Exploring Spiritual Abuse Part 1

Matt and Victoria are joined in Akron Recording Studio with Jeff Gray, LPCC and licensed minister. Jeff has decades of experience working with marriages, families and ministers. He is passionate about educating ministers and other groups in self-care, emotional health, and the effects of spiritual abuse. Jeff loves to see an individual have a true revelation of their identity in Christ, aside from what they can accomplish, and apply this revelation throughout their daily life. In these next 2 episodes Matt, Victoria and Jeff discuss the impacts of spiritual abuse by leaders in the church, ministry, communities and families. This is an important topic for many to explore, and we are thankful for Jeff's willingness to share both his professional and personal experiences with us.

WGL Season 4: Episode 2 One Man's Personal Encounter of Healing with Bilater-Roll

Thanks for stopping by for a new episode of When Gathering Light. Victoria and I are joined in the studio today by our good friend Rob Lavy. We will be talking about Rob's healing journey which includes reconstructing his faith and finding new purpose in his career because he serves a loving God. We will discuss the new product that he has created with some encouragement from his wife Christie and Victoria.  The new product is the Bilater-Roll. It is a beautifully carved piece of yellow pine, and you simply roll a marble or in the larger version a pinball back and forth and soothe your anxious brain. I have been using it and many in the therapy world are using it in their practices. We will get into more detail in this episode but if you want to get a sneak peek go to Etsy and look up: Bilater-Roll and you will find photos and some videos, pricing and more.  Thanks for listening to When Gathering Light's newest episode. We really appreciate your ongoing support. We love you all. Peace!

WGL Season 4: Episode 1 Welcome Back & The Prodigal Daughter

Join Victoria and Matt as they settle back into Akron Recording Studio for their 2026 season. They recap what has been going on for them and discuss Matt’s new book “Prodigal Daughter”. Matt shares what it has been like for him to create his first book of fiction about a woman who navigates the complex dynamics of alcohol addiction and her hard-fought battle for sobriety.  If you are interested in purchasing a copy of “Prodigal Daughter” email him at mattgutbrod@yahoo.com.

WGL Season 3: Episode 4 Exploring Relationships with Siblings throughout the Lifespan

Join Matt, Victoria and their guest, Laurie Bohrer, as they discuss interpersonal dynamics between siblings throughout one's lifespan. We are born into our unique family systems, and we can be defined by birth order in our formative years.  Matt, Victoria and Laurie explore what it looks like to move beyond birth order in our family systems to foster healthier adult relationships with siblings. Additionally, not all family systems can adapt to a sibling initiating a desired change in adulthood. This often leads to the need to create distance/separation from sibling dynamics in order to continue the path towards healing and maturing.  Regardless of your dynamic, we hope that you find this episode a conversation starter within your own homes, friendships and family dynamics.  Thanks again for listening, Matt and Victoria