ART FICTIONS

Guest artist HELEN JOHNSON joins JILLIAN KNIPE for this final episode of Series 5, to discuss her work via 'The Birds' by Tarjei Vesaas. Published originally in 1957, then by Penguin Random House in 2019, this short novel describes the relationship between Hege and her younger, mentally challenged brother Mattis. With a sense of non-judgemental simplicity and acute sensitivity, we join the siblings as they negotiate everyday life in partial isolation and on the edge of something happening. HELEN and Jillian's conversation encompasses lightning, tenderness, siblings, gullibility, hiding, tapestry, holding, frustration, anguish, excavation, metaphors, equality, masking, knitting needles, dream worlds, shattered trees, portals, body punctures, art therapy, white supremacy, honest thieves, cartography lines, blinding flies, Oedipus complex, intergenerational privilege, psychotic structure, architectural blueprints, birthing shit, monetising colonialisation, not being othered, the weight of the work, creating a space for healing, writing being like a drawing, and a lot of Lacanian psychotherapy - a real learning experience !   HELEN JOHNSON helenjohnson.net 'Opening' Pilar Corrias Savile Row til 6 Jan 2024 'Agency' Pilar Corrias 2019 'Warm Ties' ICA 2017   ARTISTS  Aleksandra Waliszewska Aliza Nisenbaum  Bridget Riley Christina Quarles Denzil Forrester Fred Williams Georgiana Houghton Joy Labinjo Judy Watson Katie Pratt Laura Owens Maja Ruznic Marcus Coates 'The Directors' Artangel Melanie Jackson Nicole Eisenman Njideka Akunyili Crosby  Paola Balla Rosie Mullan Shanti Panchal Yhonnie Scarce AUTHORS + BOOKS Darian Leader 'The New Black: Mourning, Melancholia and Depression' 2008 Jackie Wullschläger 'Monet: The Resless Vision' 2023 Jennifer Higgie 'The Other Side: A Journey into Women, Art and the Spirit World' 2023 Karl Ove Knausgaard National Gallery of Australia 'Know My Name: Australian Women Artists Since 1900' 2021 Part 1 2022 Part 2 CURATORS + ART HISTORIANS Helen Molesworth 'Dialogues' David Zwirner Sarah McCrory THEORISTS + ANALYSTS + ACTIVISTS Anna Freud Donald Winnicott Jacques Lacan Joy Shaverien Melanie Klein Meriki Onus Sigmund Freud Shirley Sharon-Zisser 'What Would a Lacanian Art Therapy Look Like' Walter Benjamin Wilfred Bion GALLERIES + ART INSTITUTIONS Glasgow International ICA Institute of Contemporary Art Kunstverein in Hamburg Kingsgate Project Space Latrobe University MCA NSW Museum of Contemporary Art Australia NGV National Gallery of Victoria Pilar Corrias SeMA Seoul Museum of Art Tate Galleries

Guest artist ELEONORA AGOSTINI joins PELUMI ODUBANJO to discuss her art practice via 'Boxes', a short story featured in 'Elephant and Other Stories' 1998 Collins Harvill. Written by Raymond Carver and originally published in The New Yorker, the story explores connections, disillusion, powerlessness, worry and loss within a mother and son relationship, as well as the distance between listening and hearing.  ELEONORA and Pelumi's discussion encompasses immortality, microcosmos, waitressing, belonging, mothers, self representation, the grid, family frictions, bitter endings, creepy observation, archival images, being deeply uncomfortable, hiding in bushes, multiple layers of meaning, the complicated teenage years, difficulty bringing closure to relationships, connections between pictures and performance, and not wanting to be the dictator of the image.   @eleonoraagostini eleonoraagostini.com Foam Talent 2024-2025 Bloomberg New Contemporaries, 2019 'A Study of Waitressing' 'A Blurry Aftertaste' 2018 'Laying with Strangers' 'Welcome Sir' 'How to Stand in Front of the Camera' 'How to Stand in Front of the Client' 'Notes for my Clients' 'The Steps' @pelumi.odubanjo ARTISTS Olukemi Lijadu Ragnar Kjartansson WRITERS John Cheever Raymond Carver GALLERIES & INSTITUTIONS Barbican Borough Road Gallery 'With Monochrome Eyes' 2020 Palais de Tokyo Royal College

Guest artist MELANIE JACKSON joins artist JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her art practice via 'Corey Fah Does Social Mobility' by Isabel Waidner. Published in 2023 by Hamish Hamilton, part of Penguin Random House, the novel explores binaries, boundaries and borders, freeing us to imagine other ways of being within the context of award winning social mobility, cyclical history, and watching reality TV.  MELANIE and Jillian's discussion encompasses shame, humility, apology, gratitude, wormholes, reconfigured animations, cultural disruption, synthetic biology, persistent amnesia, complicated truths, brutalist architecture, unsustained caretaking, industrial metaphysics, winged penises, synthetic biology, false blaming, clashing ideologies, idealistic social housing, nano scale engineering, vulvas on horseback, ridiculing the middle class, colonialisation of language, pig fat in ice cream, what art can do as an experience, and the way histories and future technologies bounce off one another.          MELANIE JACKSON @melanie.jjj melaniejackson.net 'Rouge Flambé'    'Deeper in the Pyramid | Share of Throat' 'Spekyng Rybawdy' 'The Urpflanze' ARTISTS + CURATORS + ACADEMICS Esther Leslie Ezra Lloyd Jackson Kirsten Cooke Nicole Eisenman 'Bambi Gregor' 1993 Olukemi Lijadu Pelumi Odubanjo BOOKS + MAGAZINES + WRITERS Brian Massumi 'What Animals Teach Us About Politics' 2014 Charles Darwin 'On the Origin of the Species' 1859 Eileen Myles 'Afterglow: A Dog Memoir' 2017 Franz Kafka 'The Metamorphosis' 1915 'Frieze' magazine Goethe 'Die Urplanze' ('The Metamorphosis of Plants') 1829 Isabel Waidner ' Sterling Karat Gold' 2021 Jo Orton John Lahr 'Prick Up Your Ears' 1978 (film 2007) EXHIBITIONS + INSTITUTIONS Aspex Gallery, Portsmouth Banner Repeater, London Block 336, London 'Spekyng Rybawdy' 2022 Grand Union, Birmingham Matt's Gallery, London 'Mattflix' Max Mara Prize Jerwood Drawing Prize San Mei Gallery, London 'Rouge Flambè' 2023 Wellcome Collection, London 'Living with Buildings' 2018-2019 Wellcome Collection, London 'Milk' 2023 Whitechapel Gallery, London FILM + TELEVISION 'The Nasty Girl' 1990 'Top Boy' 2011-2023

Guest writer and filmmaker JULIET JACQUES joins artist and writer JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her creative practice via 'Variations' 2021 by the one and only Juliet herself. Published in 2021 by Influx Press, this book of short stories portrays the mixed, messy and moving lives of transexual women transexual men, non binary, gender queer, cross dressers and inverts, around London, Manchester, Liverpool, Blackpool, Brighton, Belfast, Cardiff and Norwich.   Juliet and Jillian focus on 'Standards of Care' and also discuss humour, poverty, divorce, testosterone, rainbow capitalism, fake tits, ink blot tests, electric shock therapy, alternative Miss World, punk rock gender play, friendship in the face of prejudice, making objects that cannot be sold, itchy balls of wool for breasts, fresh meat advertising slogan, interest in post communist countries, the importance of questioning how people pay the rent and the disappointment of greater understanding not necessarily bringing about greater tolerance.   JULIET JACQUES julietjacques.com 'Monaco' Toothgrinder Press 2023 'Variations' Influx Press 2021 'Trans: A Memoir' Verso Books 2015 'Transgender Journey' 2010-2012 The Guardian 'Suite 212' 2017-2021 Resonance FM 'Revivification: Art, Activism and Politics in Ukraine' 2018   ARTISTS Boris Mikilov Cecilia Sjoholm David Goymer Deborah Tchoudjinoff Garth Gatrix Hatty Buchanan Iain Hales Laura Moreton-Griffiths   WRITERS Susan Stryker 'Transgender History' 2008   MUSIC Genesis Joy Division Man Enough to be A Woman (Jayne County) New York Dolls NME magazine Sex Pistols Siouxsie and the Banshees Siouxsie Sioux  The Fall The Roxy Wayne County and The Electric Chairs   FILM + TV Adam Curtis 'Can't Get You Out of my Head' series 2021 BBC Bill Grundy 'Today' 1968-1977 Derek Jarman 'Jubilee' 1978 Hattie Jacques 'Carry On' series 1958-1992 Oksana Kazmina, camera and editor Josh Appignanesi 'Female Human Animal' 2018   EDUCATION + INSTITUTIONS ICA London Somerset House Studios The Royal College   POLITICS + MOVEMENTS Black Lives Matter Femen 2008 Ukraine founded by Anna Hutsol, Alexandra Shevchenko, Oksana Shachko Gay Liberation Front Margaret Thatcher for Section 28 Revolution of Dignity 18-23 Feb 2014 Ukraine ReSew - Kyiv based feminist sewing cooperative Viktor Yanukovych

Guest artist ANNA CLEGG joins curator and critic VANESSA MURRELL to discuss her multi-disciplinary art practice via 'My Loose Thread' by Denis Cooper. Published in 2002 by Canongate Books, this claustrophobic novel circulates around teenage Larry who is wrestling with the point of his own existence and explores teen depression, moral vacuity and the confusion of love.   Please be warned that in following the content of Cooper's text, the programme contains references to violence and suicide.   Anna and Vanessa's discussion also encompasses psychedelics, obsession, faux Nazis, feeling violated, animal stickers, unwavering sensitivity, stupid imagery, internal rhyming, Santa Claus, swimming through mud, looping back on oneself, eyes being gummed shut, the value of confusion, dark and disturbing worlds, begrudging awareness of the reader, not being able to fathom the logic of decision making, writing through an idea rather than creating a story, and the steampunk weaponisation of ice skates.   Please! *rate and review *support production through patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST *follow us on instagram @artfictionspodcast *contact us on artfictionspodcast@gmail.com   Recorded at Cubitt Community Radio by Andi Armishah Music GRIFFIN KNIPE Production consultant LORI E ALAN Logo JOANNA QUINN of BERYL PRODUCTIONS   ANNA CLEGG relevant-confluences.com 'Half Truths' curated by Vanessa Murrell til 30 November 2023 at Unit 2 Cassia Building 97-101 Hackney Road Shoreditch London E2 8ET   ARTISTS David Musgrave 'Lambda' 2022 James Turrell John Baldassari 'Wrong' 1967 Joseph Cornell   BOOKS + MAGAZINES + WRITERS Artforum magazine Barry Pierce 'Another Magazine' Beatrice Forster Brett Eastern Ellis Denis Cooper 'The George Miles Cycle' series 1989-2000 Denis Cooper 'I Wished' 2021 Elliot Jeffries Frieze magazine George Bataille 'Story of the Eye' 1928 Hervé Guibert 'Ghost Image' 2014 Interview magazine Kathy Acker Katja Kemnitz 'Too Much Love' on Tumblr Nour El Saleh Paul Auster Roland Barthes 'An Introduction to the Structural Analysis of Narrative', 1975 Spin magazine Tao Lin 'Leave Society' 2021 Tom of Finland Victory Burgin 'Remembered Film' 2004 Vivian Sobchack William Burroughs   MUSICIANS + FILM Brooke Shields Claire Denis, director and screenwriter Larry Clark 'Bully' 2001 NLE Chopper Terence Stamp Xaviersobased   GALLERIES + ORGS Chelsea School of Art Greengrassi Nicoletti Contemporary Split Gallery