For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

[ENCORE] What We’re Ready to Let Die: A Conversation on Peace & New Life with Father James Martin

Description:Peace can feel elusive — globally, socially, personally. So what does it look like to reclaim it? And how do we rise when everything feels beyond dead? In this encore episode, we look back on one of our most galvanizing conversations from our For the Love of Peace series with Father James Martin — Jesuit priest, bestselling author, and one of the most trusted spiritual voices in America. Together, Jen and Father Martin explore what a centuries-old story still teaches us today. Rooted in the raising of Lazarus, their discussion unfolds into a modern invitation: What are we willing to let die so that we can live? Drawing on grief, mystery, advocacy, and the disruptive tenderness of Jesus, this conversation reaches for peace in the places that feel buried — in the church, in our communities, in ourselves. They talk candidly about: * why Jesus still disorients us (and why that’s good) * the comfort and challenge of real resurrection * why faith should push us toward the margins, not away from them * and how letting old patterns die brings us closer to peace If you’re hungry for spiritual clarity, exhausted by harmful religion, or longing for a God who feels like a deep breath — this episode is a balm. Father Martin’s humanity and integrity remind us what faith can still be: hopeful, liberating, trustworthy. May this encore meet you where you are — in grief, confusion, curiosity, or longing — and call you to come forth into peace, presence, and new life. Thought-provoking Quotes: * “We’re called to reach out to people who feel—and who are—marginalized and excluded. That’s pretty clear in the gospels. For Jesus there’s no ‘us and them,’ there’s just ‘us.’ He’s about making the community into an us.” — Father James Martin * “Jesus is fully human and fully divine. And it’s the fully human part that a lot of people have a hard time with. He weeps, he gets frustrated, he gets tired — and we have to keep those two things in tension, because if we lose sight of either one we risk not really understanding who he is.”— Father James Martin * “What are the things in my life — patterns, behaviors, resentments — that I have to let die? What do I want to leave in the tomb? And can I trust that God is calling me to something new?” — Father James Martin * “So much of the Christian message is forgiveness — letting resentment, bitterness, and grudges die. That does lead to peace. ‘Peace be with you’ isn’t just comfort — it’s invitation, it’s transformation, it’s listening to God and letting things go.”— Father James Martin Resources Mentioned in This Episode: * Inspired: Slaying Giants, Walking on Water, and Loving the Bible Again [https://amzn.to/494t9Uo] by Rachel Held Evans - https://amzn.to/494t9Uo * The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything: A Spirituality for Real Life [https://amzn.to/3Kn8KAI] by Father James Martin - https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqblhRUHJ5Vkwxd1JXbFE1azBRd1FZRXFrXzFCZ3xBQ3Jtc0trQXhLMlRUM2xFRGlhQjc3ckd4MEd1eVhLTDM0QjRLTzBjR29Bai1aWktmU0NGMHRTQTN3R0VORzNDU1phOHE5UFpzVDdDZWlNeVpOaGpQaUpKTXFKaWVFN0VHblNkZVpDZUdjUVZ1T3NWMlhjY0ZGbw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3uVRuu6&v=WuQS7E1z-tQhttps://amzn.to/3Kn8KAI * Learning to Pray: A Guide for Everyone [https://amzn.to/44nfAwK] by Father James Martin – https://amzn.to/44nfAwK * Transgender People Can Be Baptized Catholic  Reuters Article [https://www.reuters.com/world/transsexuals-can-be-baptized-catholic-serve-godparents-vatican-says-2023-11-08/] – https://www.reuters.com/world/transsexuals-can-be-baptized-catholic-serve-godparents-vatican-says-2023-11-08/ * Come Forth: The Promise of Jesus’s Greatest Miracle [https://amzn.to/3KS1c9a] by Father James Martin – https://amzn.to/3KS1c9a * Mary Karr [https://www.marykarr.com/] – https://www.marykarr.com/ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbmVTeXAzLUhydURYSGpLUmNUV1k0TFEtaEtDUXxBQ3Jtc0ttTlNIWGRQWVpMOWwzNExnNXlXSmZHanFrYUo4VTVRdThNYmRjU0dERkU3ZWtzaHRJU2RxZjBqTmFfbDE4ZUR0UEluOWN6a0xYR3ZnM1hfU01OZXNESHBzQnY0UmNBV1VqcGxnLXJ6VEFBbXJ5cFhPZw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.marykarr.com%2F&v=WuQS7E1z-tQ]   * The Seven Storey Mountain [https://amzn.to/44TmdXL] byThomas Merton – https://amzn.to/44TmdXL * Dorothy Day [https://www.dorothydayguild.org/dorothy-day7ce4a03b] — https://www.dorothydayguild.org/dorothy-day7ce4a03b Guest’s Links: Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jamesmartinsj/?hl=en] - https://www.instagram.com/jamesmartinsj/?hl=en Twitter [https://x.com/JamesMartinSJ] - https://x.com/JamesMartinSJ Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/FrJamesMartin/] - https://www.facebook.com/FrJamesMartin/ TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@jamesmartinsj?lang=en] - https://www.tiktok.com/@jamesmartinsj?lang=en Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website [https://jenhatmaker.com/] - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram [https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker] - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter [https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/] - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook [https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker] - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1] - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy [https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy] Learn more about your ad choices. 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Joy Enthusiast, SC Perot, Is Bringing Joy To Our Weary World This Holiday Season

Description:Today we’re talking to someone whose work really hits right where we live this year — in that messy middle space where you know you need joy, but you’re not totally sure how to find your way back to it. Sarah Catherine “SC” Perot created Styles of Joy, which is genuinely one of the most grounding, practical, soul-forward frameworks we’ve encountered in a long time.  SC is an author, speaker, Vanderbilt professor, and self-proclaimed joy enthusiast whose work explores how we reclaim joy in seasons of transition, loss, rebuilding, and reinvention. Her debut book blends personal storytelling, cultural observation, and her CAPS Framework—Cultivate, Adopt, Protect, and Spread—a blueprint for understanding how joy works in us, around us, and through us. In this conversation, we talk about reclaiming joy after difficult seasons, the identity shifts that come with major life transitions, the science and soulfulness of joy, and why small, daily practices matter more than we think. SC brings brilliance, compassion, and practicality to a topic that often feels elusive, reminding us that joy isn’t something we “earn” — it’s something we can cultivate and choose, even in the midst of imperfect lives. If you’ve been craving a reset, a reorientation, or just a little more light in your day, this episode is a beautiful place to begin. Thought-provoking Quotes: * “Music is like a scent that can transport us back in time. We have so many memories bookmarked in our heads.” – SC Perot * “Joy can meet us in our quiet moments. It can meet us at a concert in a room full of people drowned in confetti. And it can meet us anywhere in between.” – SC Perot * “The heat I was getting in my DMs, people are saying, have you lost your mind? You used to be on the straight and narrow. What has happened to you? What is with the feather boas?” – SC Perot * “If we know we can tee ourselves up for productivity and if we know we can tee ourselves up for healthy decision making, why would we also not give joy a shot first thing in the morning?” – SC Perot * “Joy can start small, just as hope does.” – SC Perot Resources Mentioned in This Episode: * Styles of Joy: A Feel-Good Framework for Rediscovering Joy (with a Twist!) [https://amzn.to/48yUooy] by SC Perot – https://amzn.to/48yUooy * Harry Styles [https://www.hstyles.co.uk/] – https://www.hstyles.co.uk/ * The Joy Hotline [https://www.scperot.com/joy-hotline/] – https://www.scperot.com/joy-hotline/ [https://www.scperot.com/joy-hotline/] * Make Your Bed: Little Things That Can Change Your Life...And Maybe the World [https://amzn.to/4oC3iYK] by Admiral William H. McRaven – https://amzn.to/4oC3iYK * Unlocking the Secrets of Consciousness and Telepathy: Ky Dickens and The Telepathy Tapes [https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-64/unlocking-the-secrets-of-consciousness-and-telepathy-ky-dickens-and-the-telepathy-tapes/] - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-64/unlocking-the-secrets-of-consciousness-and-telepathy-ky-dickens-and-the-telepathy-tapes/ * Jen Hatmaker | Advent Week One: The Light of Hope [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obh3zvna-ng] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obh3zvna-ng * Elizabeth Gilbert Oprah show botox post on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/p/CCyHEtZh8DG/] – https://www.instagram.com/p/CCyHEtZh8DG/ * Tom Holland “Umbrella” Lip Sync Battle [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPCJIB1f7jk] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPCJIB1f7jk * The Guardian | I tried some hacks to make my phone less appealing. It got existential [https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/15/phone-addiction-cut-screen-time-diary] – https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/15/phone-addiction-cut-screen-time-diary * Catherine Shannon Substack | Everyone is Numbing Out [https://catherineshannon.substack.com/p/everyone-is-numbing-out] –  https://catherineshannon.substack.com/p/everyone-is-numbing-out * This Is Not a Book About Benedict Cumberbatch: The Joy of Loving Something--Anything--Like Your Life Depends On It [https://amzn.to/4pora36] by Tabatha Carvan – https://amzn.to/4pora36 Guest’s Links: Website [https://www.scperot.com/] - https://www.scperot.com/ Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/scperot/] - https://www.instagram.com/scperot/ Substack [https://substack.com/@scperot] - https://substack.com/@scperot Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website [https://jenhatmaker.com/] - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram [https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker] - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter [https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/] - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook [https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker] - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1] - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy [https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy] Learn more about your ad choices. 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November 2025:Ruth Hogan’s ‘The Keeper of Lost Things’

Description: If you’ve been lucky enough to stumble upon ‘The Keeper of Lost Things’ the bestselling debut novel by British author Ruth Hogan, you know exactly why it captured our hearts and was selected as our JHBC November Fireside Read selection. This book is a whimsical, tender, and deeply human story about a man who collects seemingly insignificant lost objects — and the woman who inherits both his home and this strange little mission. As she begins to return these “lost things” to their owners, we discover that every object holds a story, every story holds a loss, and every loss holds a little bit of light. Ruth’s own story is just as moving — she began writing after recovering from a serious car accident, during a time when she felt a bit lost herself. And from that season came this debut novel that went on to charm readers all over the world. This book feels like a love letter to brokenness — to the idea that what’s been lost can still be redeemed. It’s a generous, tender book — one that invites us to look closer at the world around us and remember that meaning lives everywhere, even in the smallest things. Thought-provoking Quotes: * “I was one of those people who thought, ‘I'll write a book one day… it'll happen one day.’ But you should never wait for one day. You should get on with it.” – Ruth Hogan * “You can't control what life throws at you but you can control what you do with it.” – Ruth Hogan * “I think I write in quite an unusual way, speaking to other authors. I don't worry about planning and plotting. I like it to just come out organically. I will sit down, the story is in my head and it will come out. But what I do do is I edit chapter by chapter, which is a very bizarre way of working. And I'm so finicky that sometimes I can't move on if one word isn't right.” – Ruth Hogan * “I'm a great believer that the universe will tell you the right thing to do.” – Ruth Hogan * “I love to explore the emotional attachment that we form with objects. And I think it's all about maintaining connections. We will give an object disproportionate significance because it relates to a person that we loved or a memory or a place. I think we all do that. all have objects and we have connections to these objects that make them much more valuable than their intrinsic worth.” – Ruth Hogan * “In one of my other books I described my characters as being ‘cracked in the kiln’. Those are the people that I'm interested in. I'm not interested in perfect people. I'm interested in the people who are lost, who have made mistakes. I love that idea of people being repaired and being more beautiful and more valuable because of their life experience.” – Ruth Hogan Resources Mentioned in This Episode: * The Keeper of Lost Things: A Novel [https://amzn.to/4nGYy3p] by Ruth Hogan - https://amzn.to/4nGYy3p * To the Sea by Train: The Golden Age of Railway Travel [https://amzn.to/3Jl7fT5] by Andrew Martin - https://amzn.to/3Jl7fT5 * The Secret of Secrets: A Novel [https://amzn.to/4oQTx9j] by Dan Brown - https://amzn.to/4oQTx9j * The Golden Hour [https://amzn.to/4qMvslX] by Kate Lord Brown - https://amzn.to/4qMvslX Guest’s Links: Website [https://www.ruthhogan.co.uk/] - https://www.ruthhogan.co.uk/ Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/ruthmariehoganauthor/] - https://www.instagram.com/ruthmariehoganauthor/ Twitter [https://x.com/ruthmariehogan] - https://x.com/ruthmariehogan Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/RuthHoganAuthor/] - https://www.facebook.com/RuthHoganAuthor/ Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website [https://jenhatmaker.com/] - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram [https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker] - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter [https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/] - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook [https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker] - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1] - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy [https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

Road Tripping with Jen + Kelly Corrigan: On Faith Shifts, Patriarchy, Divorce, Parenting, and Choosing Curiosity Over Certainty

Description:In this Road Tripping episode, Jen is joined by one of her dearest friends — the brilliant and beloved author and interviewer, Kelly Corrigan. Kelly read Awake cover to cover (twice!) and came armed to the live Awake Book Tour event in Denver, Colorado with ten of her favorite lines from the book, inviting Jen to riff on each one in real time. What unfolds is a night of belly laughs, truth-telling, and deep reflection on faith, patriarchy, divorce, parenting adult kids, therapy, rebuilding your life, and why middle age is actually the most freeing chapter yet. This conversation is Jen and Kelly at their absolute best: funny, wise, irreverent, and wide open. * Growing up inside patriarchal faith systems and the lifelong impact of being taught not to trust your own intuition * Why Jen believes that curiosity has never led her wrong — but that certainty has led her down many dead ends * The moment that Jen realized the patriarchy harms everyone, including the men and boys she loves * How purity culture can shape (and warp) our early ideas about sex, marriage, and womanhood * Parenting through divorce and the shift from coaching to comforting * Therapy breakthroughs around conflict, attachment styles, codependency, and dropping the need to control others’ emotions Thought-provoking Quotes: * “Curiosity has never led me wrong. Certainty has led me down so many dead ends.” —Jen Hatmaker * “Patriarchy messed both of us up. Neither one of us was meant to live inside those roles.” —Jen Hatmaker * “When you try to rush your kids through their hard feelings, they feel abandoned. Comfort over coaching — that’s where we live.”  —Jen Hatmaker * “I’m not your leader. I’m your sister. This book isn’t a prescription. It’s my story handed to you with open hands.”  —Jen Hatmaker * “Sometimes the worst thing that ever happens ends up becoming the best thing. Not because of the pain — but because of the life that blooms afterward.” —Jen Hatmaker Resources Mentioned in This Episode: * Awake: A Memoir [https://amzn.to/440b5YW] by Jen Hatmaker – https://amzn.to/440b5YW * Tell Me More: Stories About the 12 Hardest Things I'm Learning to Say [https://amzn.to/4an9rUX] by Kelly Corrigan –  https://amzn.to/4an9rUX * The Middle Place [https://amzn.to/49Xueyt] by Kelly Corrigan – https://amzn.to/49Xueyt * Kelly Corrigan Wonders podcast [https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast] – https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast * Who Is Government?: The Untold Story of Public Service [https://amzn.to/4pLC3Md] by Michael Lewis – https://amzn.to/4pLC3Md Guest’s Links: Website [https://www.kellycorrigan.com/] - https://www.kellycorrigan.com/ Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/kellycorrigan/?hl=en] - https://www.instagram.com/kellycorrigan Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/kelly.corrigan.376] - https://www.facebook.com/kelly.corrigan.376 Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/@kellycorriganvideo] - https://www.youtube.com/@kellycorriganvideo Podcast [https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast] - https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website [https://jenhatmaker.com/] - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram [https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker] - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter [https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/] - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook [https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker] - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1] - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  Listen in as Jen and Kelly discuss: To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy [https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

Road Trippin with Jen + Tyler Merritt: On Grief, Midlife, Creativity, and the Unexpected Stories That Save Us

Description: In this special Road Tripping episode, Jen invites her partner, actor/activist/author Tyler Merritt, to join her live after a last-minute schedule pivot. What unfolds is a night of honesty, hilarity, vulnerability, and deep connection. Jen reads two scenes from Awake—one from the earliest days of shock and grief, and one from the chaotic, hilarious adventure of dating again at midlife. She shares the moment her body finally allowed her to grieve, the unexpected relief that followed, and how storytelling helped rebuild her life from the inside out. Tyler joins her onstage and opens up about his own journey: discovering creativity as a kid in a sports household, what midlife has taught him, how his rare cancer diagnosis reshaped his priorities, and how their love story began on a night in New York City neither saw coming. He and Jen talk candidly about walking through illness together, finding joy even in hard seasons, and why Awake speaks to all genders—not just women. This episode is tender, funny, surprising, and deeply human—a reminder that grief can crack us open in ways that eventually let the light back in. ★ “My body bypassed my mind and gave itself the gift of grief.” — Jen Hatmaker (reading from Awake) ★ “If creativity is in you, you can’t get rid of it. It will find its way out.” — Tyler Merritt (on discovering his storytelling voice) ★ “Middle age shortens your alphabet — you just have fewer Fs to give.” — Tyler Merritt (describing midlife clarity) ★ “You don’t just get my story of cancer — you get yours, because you chose to love me.” — Tyler Merritt (on his cancer journey and their relationship) ★ “Some of the hardest things you’ve ever been through? You made it. You’re still here.” — Tyler Merritt (reflecting on resilience and survival) ➢ Awake: A Memoir [https://amzn.to/4rjitZ7] by Jen Hatmaker - https://amzn.to/4rjitZ7➢ This Changes Everything: A Surprisingly Funny Story About Race, Cancer, Faith, and Other Things We Don’t Talk About [https://amzn.to/4ilNtnh] by Tyler Merritt – https://amzn.to/4ilNtnh➢ Simple Habit meditation app [https://www.simplehabit.com/] (referenced in the grief scene) - https://www.simplehabit.com/➢ Corey Muscara [https://corymuscara.com/] (meditation guide Jen listened to) – https://corymuscara.com/➢ The Tyler Merritt Project [https://thetylermerrittproject.com/] – https://thetylermerrittproject.com/➢ Waitress: The Musical [https://waitressthemusical.com/] (where Jen and Tyler first met) – https://waitressthemusical.com/ Website [https://thetylermerrittproject.com/] – https://thetylermerrittproject.com/Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/thetylermerrittproject/] – https://www.instagram.com/thetylermerrittproject/Twitter [https://x.com/ttmproject] – https://x.com/ttmprojectFacebook [https://www.facebook.com/thetylermerrittproject] – https://www.facebook.com/thetylermerrittprojectYouTube [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPB48_JfK-VMnYQPTYyMX5Q] – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPB48_JfK-VMnYQPTYyMX5Q Jen’s Website – https://jenhatmaker.com/ [https://jenhatmaker.com/]Jen’s Instagram – https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker [https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker]Jen’s Twitter – https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ [https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/]Jen’s Facebook – https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker [https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker]Jen’s YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker [https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker] The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. Thought-provoking Quotes: Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Guest’s Links: Connect with Jen! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy [https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]