Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy

My guest today is Jay Hoag [https://www.tcv.com/team/jay-hoag]. Jay is the co-founder of Technology Crossover Ventures, known as TCV, which pioneered the growth investing category and has backed legendary companies like Netflix, Spotify, and Expedia over three decades. Jay explains how macro factors like regulation have become unexpectedly central to technology investing. He offers his contrarian take on today's market, arguing that consumer internet represents significant opportunity while most investors chase SaaS and AI deals. We discuss investing in new technology versus commercialization, TCV’s evolution from cold-calling to AI-powered sourcing of 11 million companies, and their three-person unanimous investment committee structure. Please enjoy my conversation with Jay Hoag.  For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠here.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://joincolossus.com/episode/keys-to-successf%E2%80%A6growth-investing/] ----- This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ramp⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest]. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ramp.com/invest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest] to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. – This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ridgeline⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/]. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. Head to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ridgelineapps.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/] to learn more about the platform. –  This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠ AlphaSense⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.alpha-sense.com/invest/]. AlphaSense has completely transformed the research process with cutting-edge AI technology and a vast collection of top-tier, reliable business content. Invest Like the Best listeners can get a free trial now at⁠⁠⁠⁠ Alpha-Sense.com/Invest⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.alpha-sense.com/invest/] and experience firsthand how AlphaSense and Tegus help you make smarter decisions faster. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thepodcastconsultant.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://thepodcastconsultant.com/]). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:05:18) Market Conditions and Investment Opportunities (00:06:57) Consumer Internet Businesses and AI (00:09:04) Technology Commercialization Challenges (00:11:30) Public vs. Private Market Dynamics (00:15:32) Growth Investing and Competitive Dynamics (00:22:34) History and Resilience of TCV (00:26:32) Understanding the Firm's Investment Lifecycle (00:27:06) Evolution of Sourcing Strategies (00:28:33) The Role of Data Intelligence in Sourcing (00:29:41) Internal Investment Process at TCV (00:34:31) Challenges and Strategies in Long-term Investments (00:41:15) Reflections on the Investment World (00:43:48) Personal Insights and Final Thoughts

My guest today is Dinakar Singh [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dinakar-singh-4b51301b8/]. Dinakar is the founder and CEO of Axon, the family office successor to TPG-Axon, which was a successful global long-short hedge fund. We wanted to share his story on Father’s Day to honor the person and the dad that Dinakar is. He shares one of the most extraordinary stories at the intersection of finance and medicine I've ever encountered. This conversation explores the highest-stakes investment themes—timing, concentrated conviction, exceptional team building, and deploying resources toward outcomes that matter most. I will let him tell you his story. Please enjoy my conversation with Dinakar Singh.  For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page⁠⁠⁠ here.⁠⁠⁠ [https://joincolossus.com/episode/a-fathers-call-to-action/] ----- This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠ Ramp⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest]. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to⁠⁠⁠ Ramp.com/invest⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest] to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. – This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠ Ridgeline⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/]. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. Head to⁠⁠⁠ ridgelineapps.com⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/] to learn more about the platform. – This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠ AlphaSense⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.alpha-sense.com/invest/]. AlphaSense has completely transformed the research process with cutting-edge AI technology and a vast collection of top-tier, reliable business content. Invest Like the Best listeners can get a free trial now at⁠⁠⁠ Alpha-Sense.com/Invest⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.alpha-sense.com/invest/] and experience firsthand how AlphaSense and Tegus help you make smarter decisions faster. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠⁠⁠https://thepodcastconsultant.com⁠⁠⁠ [https://thepodcastconsultant.com/]). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:06:17) The Diagnosis and Initial Reactions (00:07:29) Understanding SMA and the Scientific Challenge (00:09:15) The Drive to Fund Research and Find a Cure (00:14:10) Building a Virtual Company for Drug Development (00:19:02) Breakthroughs and the First Approved Drugs (00:24:16) Personal Reflections and the Impact of the Journey (00:40:25) Challenges in the Biotech Industry and Future Hopes (00:46:43) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Dinakar

My guest today is Bill Gurley [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gurley]. Bill was the general partner at Benchmark Capital. He joins me for his sixth time on Invest Like the Best with his most comprehensive market analysis yet, examining the realities reshaping venture capital. Bill tackles the uncomfortable math underlying today's venture returns, with companies staying private for far longer. He also walks through why no one—from GPs to LPs to founders—has proper incentives to mark assets accurately, creating a system-wide coordination problem. And, we dig into the investment implications of AI as a platform shift, ranging from evaluating AI revenue quality to international competitive dynamics. Bill offers crucial perspective on playing the game both as it exists today and as it may evolve. Please enjoy my conversation with Bill Gurley. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page⁠⁠⁠⁠ here.⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://joincolossus.com/episode/the-gift-and-the%E2%80%A6-staying-private/] ----- This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ramp⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest]. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ramp.com/invest⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest] to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. – This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ridgeline⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/]. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. Head to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ridgelineapps.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/] to learn more about the platform. –  This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/] Arcana [https://www.arcana.io/]. Arcana is the world’s most advanced portfolio intelligence platform, trusted by institutional investors managing trillions in AUM — including market neutral, long-short, long-only, and capital allocators. Arcana enables portfolio managers, risk teams, analysts, and CIOs to drill into exposures and idio, construct optimal portfolios, and decompose performance at incredible granularity. Visit arcana.io [http://arcana.io/] to request a demo and learn more. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thepodcastconsultant.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://thepodcastconsultant.com/]). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:05:23) State of the Union: Venture Capital Edition (00:07:58) The Rise of Mega VC Funds (00:09:38) Zombie Unicorns: The Overvalued Giants (00:17:29) The IPO and M&A Market Stalemate (00:24:08) The AI Wave and Its Impact (00:26:03) Private Markets and LP Liquidity Issues (00:29:57) The Future of Capital Markets (00:37:49) Advice for Founders in a Changing Landscape (00:39:27) The High-Stakes Game of Capital Battles (00:41:35) AI: The New General Purpose Technology (00:42:57) Challenges and Opportunities in AI Revenue Models (00:44:37) The Role of Founders in the AI Revolution (00:46:44) The Impact of Time and Liquidity on Venture Capital (00:50:35) Navigating the Future of Venture Capital (00:58:45) International Dynamics in the AI Race (01:13:58) Advice for Founders in the AI Era

Today, we are dropping a special episode in the Invest Like the Best Feed. 50X is back, a fan favorite series from Will Thorndike and the team at Compounding Labs. Will's book, "The Outsiders, [https://a.co/d/5fbLhWK]" is one of the best business and investing books that you'll find. You'll hear him continuing his work in the hosting chair as he looks in detail at investments that have appreciated at least 50-fold. Season two features Asurion. Colossus is excited to partner with Will as he sits down with the management and investors behind this legendary investment. We kick off this special drop with a short interview that I did with Will on everything he learned studying this business, followed by the full three-part series. https://joincolossus.com/series/50x/ https://joincolossus.com/series/joys-of-compounding/ Learn more and dive into our research at ⁠50xpodcast.com⁠ [http://50xpodcast.com/] —- This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠ Ramp⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest]. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to⁠⁠ Ramp.com/invest⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest] to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. — This episode is brought to you by ⁠Oberle⁠ [https://oberle-risk.com/]. Oberle is a specialty insurance brokerage providing insurance services to search funds, independent sponsors, family offices, and private equity firms. Oberle supports its clients with a comprehensive insurance due diligence covering a wide range of items, including commercial insurance, Employee Benefits, key person life insurance, and reps and warranty coverage. Additionally, Oberle has a thriving personal lines practice, designed for entrepreneurs seeking a higher-level service and expertise when it comes to insuring one’s home, vehicles, and valuables. If you’re interested in connecting with the Oberle team:  ⁠https://oberle-risk.com/50x⁠ [https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2foberle-risk.com%2f50x&c=E,1,SIwvr8wEDgnByGMhXA4UNpdukCU5yoN4P60GY1oAVPzf_fsAm5l-ZiQiWlFZs00Meti64KD6XAZr4MicWXOH7vT2NwuzX3Bf8nf0HsWFCM64l2bfaBRz&typo=1] — This episode is brought to you by ⁠System Six⁠ [https://systemsix.com/], a searcher-owned outsourced bookkeeping and accounting services firm that has been a great partner to us at Compounding Labs.  With the right modern tools and a strong team, System Six will eliminate headache for you and give you time back so you can focus on growing your business. Whether you're a CEO or CFO stuck in the weeds, or an investor trying to support your CEOs and portfolio companies, reach out to hello@systemsix.comand mention the podcast for your first month of ongoing bookkeeping free. —- 50X is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of 50X, visit⁠⁠⁠ joincolossus.com/episodes⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.joincolossus.com/episodes]. Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠⁠⁠https://thepodcastconsultant.com⁠⁠⁠ [https://thepodcastconsultant.com/]). Follow us on Twitter: @50Xpodcast | @joincolossus Show Notes (00:00:00) Welcome to 50X (00:04:52) Patrick interviews Will Thorndike (00:18:16) The Early Days (‘95-‘01) with Kevin Taweel (01:24:44) The Flywheel Era (‘01-‘07) with Kevin Taweel (02:24:32) Retracing the Path to 100 times 50x with Irv Grousbeck

My guest today is John Zito [https://www.apollo.com/aboutus/leadership-and-people/john-zito]. John is the Co-President of Apollo Global Management. He shares how they've quietly built one of the most important financial institutions of our time, originating over $250 billion annually. John's thesis on the convergence of private and public markets - and Apollo's positioning to capture 100% of client portfolios rather than just alternatives allocations - offers a fascinating glimpse into where institutional investing is heading. We discuss the cultural and strategic elements that drive John, Apollo’s merger with Athene, the idea of artistry at scale, and the evolution of capital markets. Please enjoy my conversation with John Zito.  For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page⁠⁠⁠ here.⁠⁠⁠ [https://joincolossus.com/episode/inside-apollo/] ----- This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠ Ramp⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest]. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to⁠⁠⁠ Ramp.com/invest⁠⁠⁠ [https://ramp.com/250-signup-bonus?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid-podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-colossus-250&utm_content=invest] to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. – This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ridgeline⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/]. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. Head to⁠⁠⁠⁠ ridgelineapps.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.ridgelineapps.com/] to learn more about the platform. –  This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠ AlphaSense⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.alpha-sense.com/invest/]. AlphaSense has completely transformed the research process with cutting-edge AI technology and a vast collection of top-tier, reliable business content. Invest Like the Best listeners can get a free trial now at⁠⁠⁠ Alpha-Sense.com/Invest⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.alpha-sense.com/invest/] and experience firsthand how AlphaSense and Tegus help you make smarter decisions faster. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠⁠⁠https://thepodcastconsultant.com⁠⁠⁠ [https://thepodcastconsultant.com/]). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:05:55) The Rise of Apollo and Credit Markets (00:08:05) Innovations in Asset Management (00:11:42) The Role of the US in Global Capital Markets (00:15:26) The Future of Asset Management and Investment Strategies (00:21:03) The Impact of Interest Rates on Investment (00:25:27) Apollo's Business Model and Growth (00:25:17) The Changing Landscape of Private Markets (00:46:03) Apollo's Culture and Vision (00:47:54) The Importance of Company Culture (00:52:52) The Future of Private and Public Markets (00:57:50) Building a Great Origination Platform (01:02:03) Exciting Deals and Personal Stories (01:14:47) The Role of AI and Future Opportunities (01:22:16) Maintaining Company Culture Amidst Change (01:24:06) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For John