The Box Office Podcast

The good news is that F1 just nabbed a big win for Apple’s bumpy theatrical ambitions. The bad news is that M3GAN 2.0 continued Blumhouse’s less-than-stellar track record with sequels, which was less of an issue even a few years ago when their originals and non-sequels were kicking ass on the regular. And the truly ugly news drops at around the hour-mark as Lisa Laman reads as-it-drops reporting confirming all our worst fears about why Pixar’s Elio was delayed and what was changed from the allegedly nearly finished original cut. Get full access to The Outside Scoop at scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

This week’s topic, obviously, is what happened to Elio, whether Pixar is finished as a butts-in-seats brand for original animated films, and (without blaming any single factor as a zero-sum explanation) who and what is responsible. Special guest Josh Spiegel, who wrote the book(s) on [https://www.amazon.com/Yesterday-Forever-Nostalgia-Animation-2015-11-17/dp/B01K3JFEN0/ref=sr_1_10?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pWdSmliUEQvO1pOhU7PySD1fmHfatnw3kqxJwv8ZOh4OYLsRgb-ErTX1SihE-RcnKYY5mPErUyAe6bOblw6Mv7ZqpgFfzKynyaULVtlFvsyDdWuM3DrffxPFstQ_yfaOMRJYHvL5C59CpJQzAMPnSzTpJGRoKHQzVdC1qNwIne1WWDrk2G0iv_K_EqgpdIUw.GpntJu58q-SqY1UuZC44QIVCMdvRZA57aLLBdP_8fMM&dib_tag=se&qid=1751038838&refinements=p_27%3AJosh+Spiegel&s=books&sr=1-10] Pixar [https://www.amazon.com/Pixar-Infinite-Past-Nostalgia-Animation/dp/B0F3N72TCY/ref=sr_1_8?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pWdSmliUEQvO1pOhU7PySD1fmHfatnw3kqxJwv8ZOh4OYLsRgb-ErTX1SihE-RcnKYY5mPErUyAe6bOblw6Mv7ZqpgFfzKynyaULVtlFvsyDdWuM3DrffxPFstQ_yfaOMRJYHvL5C59CpJQzAMPnSzTpJGRoKHQzVdC1qNwIne1WWDrk2G0iv_K_EqgpdIUw.GpntJu58q-SqY1UuZC44QIVCMdvRZA57aLLBdP_8fMM&dib_tag=se&qid=1751038838&refinements=p_27%3AJosh+Spiegel&s=books&sr=1-8], blames Bob Chapek for sending three key original Pixar films to Disney+ during the early days of the streaming war. Lisa Laman notes that Pixar hasn’t been a “the name is enough” brand since the mid-2010s. Jeremy Fuster attributes the decline to audiences voting for more of what they already know while noting that Disney is at least trying to put out big-deal original toons in a brutal marketplace. Scott Mendelson, while agreeing with all of that, highlights the tragedy of what should have been a decade—both for Pixar and Walt Disney Animation—focused on buzzy originals, instead becoming centered on rehashing the most significant commercial successes of the previous decade. Oh, and 28 Years Later opened pretty damn well for an R-rated grimdark zombie flick, and concerns about possible frontloading mainly relate to the two sequels presumably on the way. And, huzzah, Sinners has passed the global total of The Nun to take its place as uh, the jazziest chapter of the Conjuring Universe? In terms of the written word… Scott Mendelson discusses whether the success of [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/p/how-to-train-your-dragon-is-batman-of-dreamworks-cartoons] How to Train Your Dragon will or should kick-start a wave of DreamWorks live-action remakes. Lisa Laman does the lord’s work [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/dc-detective-chimp-movie-should-happen-explained-james-gunn/] in demanding that James Gunn do what is needed and give us the Detective Chimp movie we need and deserve. In more, less #importantjournalisms, she also notes that the romantic comedy need not continually having prove itself [https://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/how-many-times-must-the-romcom-prove-itself-at-the-box-office.php]at the box office (which frankly has become a circumstance for almost any genre save for horror and, bemusingly, DC/Marvel flicks) and details why she believes Pixar lost its pop culture juice [https://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/how-the-pixar-empire-crumbled-even-before-covid-and-elio-arrived.php] (quality of films like Turning Red and Soul notwithstanding) a decade ago. Jeremy Fuster notes how the industry-wide employment crisis has now migrated to post-production [https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-post-production-jobs-crisis/]. Spoiler - Things are still terrible, actually. Ryan C. Scott (who, unless life gets in the way, should be returning as a guest to discuss his and Ethan Mendelson’s favorite franchise) offers a “Tales from the Box Office [https://www.slashfilm.com/1891672/jaws-changed-box-office-forever/]” noting the 50th anniversary of Jaws. Spoiler, it was kind of a big deal. Josh Spiegel has a new podcast, Mousterpiece Melodies [https://open.spotify.com/show/4qJ2kHA0fiEw2HZ1687jTv] (a sequel to Mousterpiece Cinema [https://open.spotify.com/show/5u6RiGPhuZ1773MI5d0BXP]), which analyzes the musical numbers from each Disney film. I’d suggest having Allison Mendelson as a guest on the eventual Frozen II episode, but (a film she despises with the fiery passion of a devoted Zack Snyder fan discussing the theatrical cut of Justice League) it’d risk becoming an unbroken three-hour monologue.  If you like what you hear, please like, share, comment, and subscribe (using a cartoon mallet) with every justified ounce of strength and passion. If you’d like to reach out and offer good cheer, request in-show discussions, or suggest ideas for bonus episodes, please email us at Asktheboxofficepod@gmail.com. Scott Mendelson - The Outside Scoop [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/] and Puck News [https://puck.news/author/scott-mendelson/]Jeremy Fuster - TheWrap [https://www.thewrap.com/author/jeremy-fuster/]Lisa Laman - Dallas Observer [https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/dallas-forths-best-trans-inclusive-bars-and-businesses-21590543], Pajiba [https://www.pajiba.com/staff/lisa-laman.php], Looper [https://www.looper.com/author/lisalaman/], Cultress [https://culturess.com/author/llaman], Comic Book [https://comicbook.com/author/lisa-laman/] and Autostraddle [https://www.autostraddle.com/author/lisalaman/]Ryan C. Scott - SlashFilm [https://www.slashfilm.com/author/ryanscott/] and Fangoria [https://www.fangoria.com/authors/ryan-scott/]Josh C. Spiegel - SlashFilm [https://www.slashfilm.com/author/joshspiegel/], PrimeTimer [https://www.primetimer.com/about/josh_spiegel], Crooked Marquee [https://crookedmarquee.com/author/josh-spiegel/] and LateNighter [https://latenighter.com/author/josh-spiegel/] Get full access to The Outside Scoop at scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

Due to a false alarm about potentially malfunctioning Wi-Fi, we ended up with two special guests for the price of one. Kirsten Acuna, having recently begun a new gig as a staff editor at People Magazine, dropped by to discuss the second of three high-profile live-action remakes for 2025. And since we weren’t sure if Jeremy Fuster would be able to make it, Aaron Neuwirth made his third appearance since early March, seemingly trying to stake his claim as the Steve Martin of The Box Office Podcast.  The topics for this episode aren’t exactly surprising. However, we discussed why How to Train Your Dragon performed so well, particularly considering the actual box office results of the 2010-2019 animated trilogy, and whether other DreamWorks titles can justify such a “real-world” makeover. We noted the relatively strong domestic debut for A24’s Materialists, while Jeremy’s passionate displeasure with the misleading marketing, as reflected in the comparatively mixed audience scores, sparked a back-and-forth over the values and vices of selling a less mainstream genre flick as a comparative crowdpleaser.  Get full access to The Outside Scoop at scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

Ballerina is that most frustrating of things for we box office pundits, as it’s a relative disappointment even though it’s not remotely an all-around commercial disaster. Should it have opened closer to $35 million than $25 million? Maybe, but $25 million is not half bad for a film starring a “known but not butts-in-seats draw” actress in what was her first theatrical headliner, which was heavily marketed using another actor and character who appears in little more than an extended cameo. And yeah, with Saw XI in purgatory and Michael pushed to 2026, Ballerina retroactively became Lionsgate’s closest thing in 2025 to a conventional tentpole.  While all parties discuss what went well—not quite “wrong,” but less “right” than hoped—Decoding Everything’s David Chen argues that the Ana de Armas-led film is exceptional on its own merits and might leg out. However, noting that he liked the picture quite a bit, he agrees that Lionsgate undersold the movie itself in favor of emphasizing the “John Wick” of it all. Lisa discusses the irony of John Wick transitioning from a scrappy, against-the-grain action movie to becoming one of the leading mainstream representations of contemporary action franchises. Jeremy argues that the series lost its scrappy underdog status as early as John Wick: Chapter 2. Scott notes that the current appeal of the series, in terms of razzle-dazzle and production value, means that an Atomic Blonde (or John Wick)-level budget was off the table.  Beyond that, there is discourse concerning Wes Anderson’s The Phoenician Scheme and why The Life of Chuck opened so poorly (relatively) on its platform launch. Oh, and all parties agree that saying the title of GKids’ newest anime, Dan da Dan: Evil Eye, spoken out loud sounds like the opening riff to Ram Jam’s “Black Betty.” In terms of the written word… Scott Mendelson discussed how [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/p/review-how-to-train-your-dragon-remake-dreamworks-universal], while well-made and filled with spectacle and high production value elements, How to Train Your Dragon played like a feature-length version of a stereotypical “How to Train Your Dragon… On Ice!” stage show. Jeremy Fuster noted how [https://www.thewrap.com/los-angeles-protests-ice-raids-filmla-warns-production-permits-denied/] the ongoing protests (and the president’s disingenuous attempts to turn those protests into a pretext for martial law) will impact productions otherwise intending to film in and around recognizable parts of Los Angeles. Lisa Laman compares [https://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/the-accountant-2s-release-strategy-makes-netflixs-antimovie-theater-attitude-infuriating.php] Amazon MGM Studios’ more conventional “theaters and then streaming” release strategy for The Accountant 2 to Netflix’s comparative “theaters can go to hell” attitude and how it may well be leaving money on the table. Ryan Scott’s latest “Tales from the Box Office [https://www.slashfilm.com/1880279/congo-1995-movie-critical-flop-failed-capture-jurassic-park-box-office/]” details the 30th anniversary of Congo.David Chen discussed the passing [https://www.decodingeverything.com/p/i-cant-stop-thinking-about-gene-hackman] of actor Gene Hackman and how it related to our society and culture’s treatment of the elderly. If you like what you hear, like, share, comment, and smash (using a cartoon mallet) that subscribe button with every justified ounce of strength and passion. If you want to bother us and offer good cheer, request in-show discussions, or offer ideas for bonus episodes, ping us at Asktheboxofficepod@gmail.com. Scott Mendelson - The Outside Scoop [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/] and Puck News [https://puck.news/author/scott-mendelson/]Jeremy Fuster - TheWrap [https://www.thewrap.com/author/jeremy-fuster/]Lisa Laman - Dallas Observer [https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/dallas-forths-best-trans-inclusive-bars-and-businesses-21590543], Pajiba [https://www.pajiba.com/staff/lisa-laman.php], Looper [https://www.looper.com/author/lisalaman/], Cultress [https://culturess.com/author/llaman], Comic Book [https://comicbook.com/author/lisa-laman/] and Autostraddle [https://www.autostraddle.com/author/lisalaman/]Ryan C. Scott - SlashFilm [https://www.slashfilm.com/author/ryanscott/] and Fangoria [https://www.fangoria.com/authors/ryan-scott/]David Chen - Decoding Everything [https://www.decodingeverything.com/] Get full access to The Outside Scoop at scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

Sony’s Karate Kid: Legends continues to make Jumanji the exception to the rule. At the same time, Bring Her Back shows that, in ways mostly positive but slightly negative, moviegoers might be clued in to A24’s fright flight shenanigans. Could the Karate Kid flick have performed better if it were more closely tied to Cobra Kai? Might Bring Her Back’s inexplicably positive viewer scores result in Philippous being forced by A24 to make an even darker, grimmer, and more relentlessly unfun horror film next time out? Can Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning reach Dead Reckoning’s $575 million global cume? All of these questions and more are… well, not answered but certainly discussed! Get full access to The Outside Scoop at scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe [https://scottmendelson.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]