BILLIONS

Why high valuations are secretly killing tech unicorns — Martino Cadoni [Deepl]

On this episode of BILLIONS, I'm sitting down with elite finance operator Martino Cadoni, current CFO of DeepL (one of Europe's leading AI companies) and the veteran strategist behind one of Central Europe's biggest banking IPOs.Martino cut his teeth in corporate America's legendary "CFO factory" the grueling General Electric leadership program, working relentless 996 schedules to solve high-stakes financial fires across the globe. From being flown to Budapest on a day's notice to re-evaluate multi-million dollar reserves in two weeks during a currency crisis, to managing capital and balance-sheet strategy as deputy CFO at HSBC, Martino knows exactly what it takes to build institutional readiness.In this masterclass, he pulls back the curtain on private vs. public markets, exposing the lethal structural mistakes tech unicorns make during down rounds and explaining exactly how legacy banking giants accidentally funded their own demise.In this masterclass, we break down: * The GE CFO Factory: Inside the intense 996 operational rotation program that builds high-agency, first-principles problem solvers. * The "Zombie Corn" Trap: Why raising capital at massive valuations with high preferred share thresholds completely paralyzes tech startups when the market turns. * The Balance Sheet Obsession: Why optimizing accounts payable, invoice due dates, and basic payment timing yields instant cash flow wins that most tech companies completely step over. * The AI Billing Paradigm Shift: Navigating the massive industry uncertainty around revenue models—from traditional per-seat subscriptions to usage and outcome-based billing. * How Traditional Banking Lost: Why legacy financial institutions wasted billions on stock buybacks and short-term dividends instead of innovating, allowing Revolut and Nubank to ruthlessly strip away their market share. TIMELINE : * 00:00 – Finance as an Accelerator: The core value-creation thesis + who Martino is (from a $749M banking IPO to DeepL). * 01:26 – The GE "CFO Factory": Rotations, the 996 schedule, the Budapest currency emergency, and the Toyota/agile principles behind high-agency finance. * 10:34 – The Balance Sheet Obsession: Why tech over-indexes on the P&L, and the easy cash wins in accounts payable, invoice timing, and FX. * 17:48 – Public Markets, SOX & the Cost of Capital: Building precise guidance, how interest-rate cycles dictate fintech lending, and Revolut's revenue diversification. * 27:49 – The "Zombie Corn" Trap: How high preferred-share thresholds freeze startups when the market turns and the common-share advantage. * 35:12 – Down Rounds & Cap Table Management: Pitching fresh investors a path to upside, and why a concentrated cap table lets you manage LPs one-on-one. * 41:26 – Why DeepL & the AI Billing Shift: Joining Europe's AI race, and the industry struggle to move from per-seat to usage and outcome-based pricing. * 50:13 – Defensibility & the Short-Term Trap: Avoiding FOMO, building embedded moats, and how legacy banks burned billions on buybacks while Revolut and Nubank ate their lunch.SUBSCRIBE👇https://www.youtube.com/c/GuillaumeMoubeche?sub_confirmation=1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Follow mehttps://www.linkedin.com/in/-g-/https://twitter.com/GuillaumeMbhhttps://www.tiktok.com/@guillaumemoubechehttps://www.instagram.com/guillaume_moubeche/

How a $75 sneaker bot became a $300M/Month financial engine - Steven Schwartz [Whop]

Is traditional international banking officially obsolete? On this episode of BILLIONS, I'm sitting down with Steven Schwartz, co-founder of Whop, the internet marketplace that is quietly constructing a brand-new financial infrastructure for global creators.What started as a simple $75 sneaker bot sold in Facebook groups has exploded into a massive global network. Today, Whop is a powerhouse where nearly 40,000 people earn over $300 million every single month, and the platform processes nearly $1 million daily in physical product sales alone. Steven breaks down how they partnered with stablecoin giant Tether to unlock open financial networks for unbanked regions across the globe, why they are deliberately driving traditional credit card processing fees to zero, and why 70% of his entire corporate team consists of former founders. In this masterclass, we break down: * The Facebook Group Bootstrapping: How Steven and his co-founder Cameron built an iOS app to flip Yeezys and turned a micro-win into an addiction. * The Core Pivot: Moving from niche downloadable software keys to hosting full community ecosystems with integrated chat rooms and video courses. * The Midtown Micro-Payments Project: The wild story of building laminated QR code profiles to route Apple Pay and Venmo donations directly to the homeless. * Commoditizing the Gatekeepers: Why Whop refuses to profit off standard credit card processing and is actively racing payment margins to zero. * The On-Chain Future: How stablecoin rails let an entrepreneur in Nigeria, Thailand, or anywhere without reliable banking infrastructure send and receive money across borders, building a real business without ever needing a legacy bank account. * Hiring High Agency: Why Whop acquires companies first and foremost for talent, bringing in former founders who are high-agency, obsessive, and have already built zero-to-one products, rather than chasing headcount. TIMELINE 00:00 – The $75 Sneaker Bot: monitoring Nike's Twitter to auto-buy rare drops03:09 – The Pivot: from niche software keys to courses & private communities05:34 – Payments Philosophy: the homeless QR-code project & racing fees to zero08:34 – The Tether Bet: stablecoins & bypassing legacy banks for the unbanked19:32 – "Powered by Whop": the viral loop & the zero-fee ecosystem23:48 – Acquiring for Talent: why 70% of the team are former founders40:04 – From Alabama Construction to $180K/Month: real-world impact42:38 – "Eating Glass": the perseverance to deliver a global mission

Very few growth moats will survive AI - Sandy Diao [Descript]

On this episode of BILLIONS, I’m sitting down with Sandy Diao, an elite growth operator who has been remarkably right about major market trends long before the rest of the ecosystem. Sandy helped scale products to 200 million users by leading early growth efforts as employee number 30 at Pinterest. She then joined Descript as their first ghost hire, architecting an automated affiliate model that drove 25% of all new users completely self-service. Her thesis is a warning to every modern SaaS operator: the siloed channel specialist is obsolete. In a world flooded by AI-generated content, traditional acquisition paths are collapsing. The future belongs to full-stack, unified operators who realize that trust is the only channel that compounds. In this masterclass, we break down: * The Pinterest Support Trench: How responding to raw customer tickets unlocked the insights to rewrite onboarding and drive massive user activation. * Data-Inspired vs. Data-Driven: Why chasing exact precision can paralyze early growth, and why directional insights are the secret to building high-velocity engines. * The Descript Affiliate Machine: How to structure automated, self-service loops that scale acquisition without expanding headcount. * The Death of Growth Moats: Why traditional software channels are decaying and how to transition to a unified growth framework. * Auditing Your Engine: Sandy's precise multi-step diagnostic process for troubleshooting an underperforming distribution strategy. TIMELINE : * 00:00 – Why most growth moats won't survive the AI era * 01:03 – The Support Trench: How customer tickets rewrote Pinterest's onboarding * 10:00 – Overcoming Team Friction: How to align engineering with rapid growth experiments * 16:06 – From B2C to B2B: Spotting high-intent institutional signals in consumer data * 18:17 – Data-Inspired vs. Data-Driven: Why chasing absolute precision kills execution velocity * 25:09 – The Descript Affiliate Loop: Building a self-service machine that drove 25% of new users * 38:00 – Retention in the AI Era: Maintaining product durability when switching costs drop * 41:10 – The Growth Collapse: Why the siloed channel specialist is officially obsolete * 44:03 – The Growth Audit: Her foundational framework to diagnose an underperforming engine * 47:02 – Adaptive Moats & Unfair Advantages: Why the permanent distribution moat is dead REFERENCES : * Ben Silbermann [https://www.linkedin.com/in/silbermann/]  * Evan Sharp [https://www.linkedin.com/in/eshp/]  * Pinterest [https://www.pinterest.com/]  * Descript [https://www.descript.com/]  * Indiegogo [https://www.indiegogo.com/] * The ONE Smart Piano [https://www.smartpiano.com/]  * TeachShare [https://www.teachshare.com/]  * Adobe [https://www.adobe.com/]  * Facebook/Meta [https://www.facebook.com/]  * Twitter (X) [https://x.com/]  * Coca-Cola [https://www.coca-cola.com/]  * Burt's Bees [https://www.burtsbees.com/] * Stripe [https://stripe.com/] * Google Ads [https://ads.google.com/] * Meta Pixel (ex-Facebook Pixel) [https://www.facebook.com/business/help/952192354843755] * Claude [https://claude.ai/]  * ChatGPT [https://chatgpt.com/] * Gemini [https://gemini.google.com/]  * Power law outcomes [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law]  * GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_engine_optimization]

From Revolut employee #3 to building a £5B energy giant - Alan Chang [Fuse Energy]

On this episode of BILLIONS, I'm sitting down with Alan Chang, Co-Founder and CEO of Fuse Energy—a tech-driven energy company that has completely shattered the UK market. Alan was employee #3 and Chief Revenue Officer at Revolut. Instead of coasting on fintech success, he and his co-founder Charles took that hyper-growth playbook and weaponized it against traditional utility giants like British Gas and Octopus. In just three years, Fuse has exploded from £2M to £400M in annual revenue, achieving a £5 billion valuation. If you want to know how a lean tech team can buy a wind turbine, acquire a grid operator, and out-execute legacy multi-billion dollar incumbents, this is your blueprint. In this masterclass, we break down: * The Revolut Exit: Why Alan walked away from fintech because the problem was "largely solved". * The £1M MVP: How they bought an energy license for £50K and a single wind turbine for £750K, using a mix of their own capital and an early round. * Anti-Democracy Culture: Why running a startup by committee fails, and why top performers should be paid 10x more than bottom performers. * Full-Stack Infrastructure Control: Why Fuse is currently buying a grid operator to dominate supply. * Internal AI Weaponization: How Fuse is building internal AI agents (PR reviews and error-tracking) to keep their team incredibly small and efficient. TIMELINE 00:00 – Leaving Revolut: Moving from a "solved" fintech industry to an unsolved energy crisis. 04:20 – The £1M Full-Stack MVP: Door-knocking for a wind turbine and securing an energy license. 09:33 – The Efficiency War: Why European energy costs are 3x higher than China's. 13:31 – Controlling the Grid: Why Fuse is actively acquiring a grid operator. 17:05 – The Execution Layer: Rejecting complex designs and demanding simplicity. 22:36 – High-Performance Compensation: Why top engineers make 10x more than the bottom tier. 28:50 – VC Term Sheets: Setting absolute founder-control red lines with investors. 36:50 – The Main Job: Why recruiting absolute elite talent takes up the majority of a CEO's day. 43:52 – Product Design: Building beautiful micro-solar and balcony battery products for consumers. 46:05 – Weaponizing AI Internally: Building PR review and error-tracking agents to optimize code. REFERENCES * Nik Storonsky [https://uk.linkedin.com/in/nstoronsky] * Charles Orr [https://uk.linkedin.com/in/charles-orr] * Revolut [https://www.revolut.com/] (Antoine le Nel : Episode 9 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT6CMcUMO-s]) * British Gas [https://www.britishgas.co.uk/] * Octopus Energy [https://octopus.energy/] * Fuse Energy [https://fuseenergy.com/]

The fastest revenue engine in SaaS history: $5.4B run rate in 10 Years - Ron Gabrisko [Databricks]

Is the traditional "per-seat" SaaS model officially obsolete? In 2016, Ron Gabrisko [linkedin.com/in/ron-gabrisko-4a21a] joined a startup with less than $1M in ARR. It was a company of 50 engineers and a product beloved by developers who had never even spoken to a sales rep. Ten years later, Databricks is a $134B giant doing $5.4B in ARR and they are still growing at a staggering 65% year-over-year. No CRO in history has built a revenue engine this fast, from this early a starting point. Ron didn't do it by following the standard Silicon Valley playbook; he did it by pioneering Consumption-Based Pricing and leveraging Open Source as the ultimate top-of-funnel engine. In this masterclass, we break down: * Consumption vs. Seats: Why Databricks tied its pricing to the "most basic unit of value" and how it fueled a $100B+ valuation. * The Open Source Funnel: How to monetize a community without "locking them in". * Building Trust with Engineers: Why Ron hires "really technical sales folks" to add value rather than just pitching. * Scaling through Innovation: Why Databricks didn't stop at one product, but built a sticky ecosystem (Spark, Delta, MLflow). * The GenAI Future: Why owning and protecting your data is the "secret sauce" for the next decade of AI. Timeline : 00:00 – The $5.4B Machine: Intro01:20 – Joining Databricks at sub-$1M ARR with 7 PhD founders04:12 – Selling to engineers: hiring "really technical sales folks"06:29 – Killing the SaaS Seat: consumption and the "most basic unit of value"09:22 – Net retention 130%: the multi-product open source strategy14:53 – Planning 65% YoY: the science of forecasting19:03 – Structuring 5,000+ sellers: verticalization and outcome-based selling29:11 – "Don't give your data to us": the data ownership philosophy33:54 – Usage-based vs value-based: why pricing is public on the website