Grass Roots Health

How Things Have Changed and Advice for Life. An Interview with Dr. Timothy R. Jordan

Dr. Timothy R. Jordan has been alive since January of 1959.  He remembers the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963, the assassination of his brother, Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. also in 1968, and the first U.S. crew to land on the moon in 1969. He participated in the first Earth Day in 1970. Dr. Jordan remembers the “Munich Massacre” at the Munich Olympics in 1972, and Dave Wottle in his famous golf hat winning to gold medal in those same games. He remembers “Secretariat,” the first horse to claim the American Triple Crown in 1973 since “Citation” did it in 1948. Also in the 1973, as a freshman in high school, Dr. Jordan remembers how cold Rossford High School was. He remembers wearing a winter coat and hat in his classes, the letter of your last name used for gasoline rationing, gas stations closing due to not having any gas, and a 55-mile mph speed limit on all highways to save gasoline during Arab Oil Embargo.     Dr. Jordan has lived a long time and experienced many things. He has accumulated much wisdom. Listen as special guest host, Tyrone Layson, interviews Dr. Jordan and learns about how things have changed and his advice for life. Listen and learn!    Resources:   Website: (2025). Why Americans stopped believing in the promise of higher education. USC Rossier, School of Education. https://rossier.usc.edu/news-insights/news/2025/november/why-americans-stopped-believing-promise-higher-education [https://rossier.usc.edu/news-insights/news/2025/november/why-americans-stopped-believing-promise-higher-education]   Podcast. Season 1, Episode 8. The Challenges Facing Colleges and Universities (and their customers) today: An Interview with Provost, Dr. Amy Thompson. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-8-the-challenges-facing-colleges-and-universities-and-their-customers-today/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-8-the-challenges-facing-colleges-and-universities-and-their-customers-today/]   Blog: (2023). Jordan, T.R. The Challenges Facing Colleges and Universities (and their customers). https://1795consulting.com/the-challenges-facing-colleges-universities-and-their-customers/ [https://1795consulting.com/the-challenges-facing-colleges-universities-and-their-customers/]   Article: (2025). Marcus, J. The looming ‘demographic cliff:’ Fewer college students and ultimately fewer graduates. NPR/WGTE. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/08/nx-s1-5246200/demographic-cliff-fewer-college-students-mean-fewer-graduates [https://www.npr.org/2025/01/08/nx-s1-5246200/demographic-cliff-fewer-college-students-mean-fewer-graduates]   Video: (2025). Vyse, G. What Is the Demographic Cliff? The Chronicle of Higher Education. https://www.chronicle.com/special-projects/the-different-voices-of-student-success/becoming-a-student-centric-institution/what-is-the-demographic-cliff [https://www.chronicle.com/special-projects/the-different-voices-of-student-success/becoming-a-student-centric-institution/what-is-the-demographic-cliff]   Article: (2026).   American Association of University Professors. Tenure. https://www.aaup.org/tenure [https://www.aaup.org/tenure]   Podcast: Season 1, Episode 1. An Interview with Dr. Tim Jordan. Special Guest Host, Vickie Dugat. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-1/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-1/]   ==========================================================================   * Listen to all episodes of Grass Roots Health: https://1795consulting.com/podcast/ [https://1795consulting.com/podcast/] or wherever people get their podcasts.   * Read all the blogs written by Dr. Jordan.   https://1795consulting.com/blog/ [https://1795consulting.com/blog/]   * Grass Roots Health is produced and hosted by Tim Jordan.   * Artwork created by Priyanka Banerjee.     * Audio editing, mixing, and mastering by Suma Recording, Painesville, Ohio https://www.sumarecording.com/ [https://www.sumarecording.com/]   * Website design by Alex Brinkman, Green Tree Media, Perrysburg, Ohio greentreemediallc.com [http://www.greentreemediallc.com]

How to Die with Dignity: An Interview with Kacie Gikonyo: A Death Doula

Death is like the “elephant in the middle of the room.” Everyone sees the elephant but pretends the huge, gray elephant is not there. We dare not even talk about the elephant. I feel sorry for the elephant. Don’t you?  Everyone ignores him! Poor Mr. Elephant!     Yet, death is our most important act. Don’t you want to control your death?  The way it is now, most humans do not. But we should be able to! People should reduce pain and suffering and retain their freedom, control, and autonomy at the end-of-life process. A death doula can help!  Listen as host Tim Jordan interviews an official death doula.   Resources:   * Website: Death Doula Kacie. https://deathdoulakacie.com/ [https://deathdoulakacie.com/]   * Instagram Page: Death Doula Kacie. https://www.instagram.com/deathdoulakacie [https://www.instagram.com/deathdoulakacie]   * Facebook page. Death Doula Kacie. https://www.facebook.com/deathdoulakatice [https://www.facebook.com/deathdoulakatice]   * Article: (2018). Rawlings, D., Tieman, J., Miller-Lewis, L., & Swetenham, K. What role do Death Doulas Play in end-of-life care? A systematic review. Health and Social Care in the Community. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/hsc.12660 [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/hsc.12660]    * Podcast. Season 1, Episode 28. Grass Roots Health. Do Physician Assistant Students Receive Adequate End-of-Life Education? An interview with Kelvin Freeman. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-28-do-physician-assistant-students-receive-adequate-end-of-life-education-an-interview-with-kelvin-freeman/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-28-do-physician-assistant-students-receive-adequate-end-of-life-education-an-interview-with-kelvin-freeman/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 15: Grass Roots Health. Why Don’t More American Adults Do This? https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-15-why-dont-more-american-adults-do-this/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-15-why-dont-more-american-adults-do-this/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R. (2023). Adding Life to One's Remaining Days. https://1795consulting.com/adding-life-to-ones-remaining-days/ [https://1795consulting.com/adding-life-to-ones-remaining-days/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 7: Grass Roots Health. Death and Dying from the Perspective of a Hospice Nurse. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-7-death-and-dying-from-the-perspective-of-a-hospice-nurse-an-interview-with-nurse-penny/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-7-death-and-dying-from-the-perspective-of-a-hospice-nurse-an-interview-with-nurse-penny/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 16: Grass Roots Health. Why Death Should Not Be Feared. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-16-why-death-should-not-be-feared-an-interview-with-nicole-kerr/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-16-why-death-should-not-be-feared-an-interview-with-nicole-kerr/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R. (2023). Death Should Not Be Feared. https://1795consulting.com/death-should-not-be-feared/ [https://1795consulting.com/death-should-not-be-feared/]   * YouTube Video. Understanding the Experience of Loss. Dr. Timothy Jordan. Main Street. WLMB TV 40. Host, Virginia Bossa. https://youtu.be/a0QWYEmbw40?si=PmfqFBt29k3QfS7M [https://youtu.be/a0QWYEmbw40?si=PmfqFBt29k3QfS7M]   * Podcast, Season 3, Episode 2. Grass Roots Health. Living with Loss: The Story of Larry Avery. https://1795consulting.com/episode/s3-e2-living-with-loss-the-story-of-larry-avery/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/s3-e2-living-with-loss-the-story-of-larry-avery/]   * Podcast, Season 3, Episode 3. Grass Roots Health. Living with Loss Part 2. https://1795consulting.com/episode/s3-e3-living-with-loss-part-2/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/s3-e3-living-with-loss-part-2/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 5: Death 20 years later. Do Grief and Mourning Change over Time? https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-5-death-20-years-later-do-grief-and-mourning-change-over-time-an-interview-with-jeff-and-deb-banks/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-5-death-20-years-later-do-grief-and-mourning-change-over-time-an-interview-with-jeff-and-deb-banks/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R (2026). Living With Loss. https://1795consulting.com/living-with-loss/ [https://1795consulting.com/living-with-loss/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R. (2022). The Mountain That Everyone Must Climb.  https://1795consulting.com/the-mountain-that-everyone-must-climb/ [https://1795consulting.com/the-mountain-that-everyone-must-climb/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 3: Death and Dying Through the Eyes of a Mortician. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-3/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-3/]   ==========================================================================   * Listen to all episodes of Grass Roots Health: https://1795consulting.com/podcast/ [https://1795consulting.com/podcast/] or wherever people get their podcasts.   * Read all the blogs written by Dr. Jordan. https://1795consulting.com/blog/ [https://1795consulting.com/blog/]   * Grass Roots Health is produced and hosted by Tim Jordan.   * Artwork created by Priyanka Banerjee.     * Audio editing, mixing, and mastering by Suma Recording, Painesville, Ohio https://www.sumarecording.com/ [https://www.sumarecording.com/]   * Website design by Alex Brinkman, Green Tree Media, Perrysburg, Ohio greentreemediallc.com [http://www.greentreemediallc.com]

Living with Loss. Part 2.

Loss can be anything. The loss of your health. The loss of health of someone who you love. The loss of your function or the loss of function of someone you love. The ability to drive. The loss of independence. Divorce. Retirement. Old age. A house fire. The loss of a childhood. A breakup. A break-in. The death of a pet. The death of a person.    So, in a very real sense, “loss is loss” because all losses involve grief.  Any person, pet, or thing that you loved that is taken away from you, against your will is a loss. I guarantee that all of you have had major losses by the time you were 18 years old.   Always remember that a zebra cannot change its stripes. Therefore, the way that you cope with small losses will be the way that you cope with big losses. For example, if you isolate yourself during a small loss, you will isolate yourself when you experience a big loss.   Listen to this interesting podcast as our host interviews three men who relied in their faith to cope with losses:  Ryan Avery, Frank Calleson, and Sam Polk.      Resources for this podcast:   * You Tube Video. Understanding the Experience of Loss. Dr. Timothy Jordan. Main Street. WLMB TV 40. With host, Virginia Bossa. https://youtu.be/a0QWYEmbw40?si=PmfqFBt29k3QfS7M [https://youtu.be/a0QWYEmbw40?si=PmfqFBt29k3QfS7M]   * Presentation with slides. (Hewitt, E.S.) Treating Grief Through a Narrative Lens: Clinical Differentiation of Grief from Depression with Practical Bereavement Therapy Interventions. https://youtu.be/bU5ZdGmS5gw?si=587tdksE73amuaqm [https://youtu.be/bU5ZdGmS5gw?si=587tdksE73amuaqm] * Website: (2026).  Help for Prolonged Grief – The Columbia University Center for Prolonged Grief. https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/ [https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/]   * Podcast, Season 3, Episode 2. Living with Loss: The Story of Larry Avery. https://1795consulting.com/episode/s3-e2-living-with-loss-the-story-of-larry-avery/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/s3-e2-living-with-loss-the-story-of-larry-avery/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 28. Do Physician Assistant Students Receive Adequate End-of-Life Education? https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-28-do-physician-assistant-students-receive-adequate-end-of-life-education-an-interview-with-kelvin-freeman/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-28-do-physician-assistant-students-receive-adequate-end-of-life-education-an-interview-with-kelvin-freeman/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 16: Why Death Should Not Be Feared. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-16-why-death-should-not-be-feared-an-interview-with-nicole-kerr/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-16-why-death-should-not-be-feared-an-interview-with-nicole-kerr/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 15: Why Don’t More American Adults Do This? https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-15-why-dont-more-american-adults-do-this/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-15-why-dont-more-american-adults-do-this/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 7: Death and Dying from the Perspective of a Hospice Nurse. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-7-death-and-dying-from-the-perspective-of-a-hospice-nurse-an-interview-with-nurse-penny/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-7-death-and-dying-from-the-perspective-of-a-hospice-nurse-an-interview-with-nurse-penny/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 5: Death 20 years later. Do Grief and Mourning Change over Time? https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-5-death-20-years-later-do-grief-and-mourning-change-over-time-an-interview-with-jeff-and-deb-banks/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-5-death-20-years-later-do-grief-and-mourning-change-over-time-an-interview-with-jeff-and-deb-banks/]   * Podcast, Season 1, Episode 3: Death and Dying Through the Eyes of a Mortician. https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-3/ [https://1795consulting.com/episode/episode-3/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R (2026). Living With Loss.  https://1795consulting.com/living-with-loss/ [https://1795consulting.com/living-with-loss/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R. (2023). Death Should Not Be Feared. https://1795consulting.com/death-should-not-be-feared/ [https://1795consulting.com/death-should-not-be-feared/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R. (2023). Adding Life to Ones Remaining Days. https://1795consulting.com/adding-life-to-ones-remaining-days/ [https://1795consulting.com/adding-life-to-ones-remaining-days/]   * Blog: Jordan, T.R. (2022). The Mountain That Everyone Must Climb. https://1795consulting.com/the-mountain-that-everyone-must-climb/ [https://1795consulting.com/the-mountain-that-everyone-must-climb/]   Email me and tell me about your losses.  I would like to hear from you!   tjordan@1795consulting.com [tjordan@1795consulting.com] ==========================================================================   * Listen to all episodes of Grass Roots Health: https://1795consulting.com/podcast/ [https://1795consulting.com/podcast/] or wherever people get their podcasts.   * Read all the blogs written by Dr. Jordan. https://1795consulting.com/blog/ [https://1795consulting.com/blog/]   * Grass Roots Health is produced and hosted by Tim Jordan.   * Artwork created by Priyanka Banerjee.     * Audio editing, mixing, and mastering by Suma Recording, Painesville, Ohio https://www.sumarecording.com/ [https://www.sumarecording.com/]   * Website design by Alex Brinkman, Green Tree Media, Perrysburg, Ohio greentreemediallc.com [http://www.greentreemediallc.com]

S3,E2: Living with Loss. The Story of Larry Avery

Who was Larry Avery? He was a humble, unassuming man who “walked the talk.”  He served his county, his faith, his family, and his community on the east side of Toledo.  I knew Larry, his wife, and his now adult children for my entire adult life. I miss Larry! Larry Avery died and left this realm on November 23, 2025, surrounded by his loving family. He was 75 years old. He is now in a beautiful place where he does not want to come back from.  What is loss?  Loss can be anything. The loss of health. A job that you really liked. Retirement. A break in. A break up. A divorce. A house fire.  Certainly, the loss of a person you loved via death is a loss. However, loss can be anything!     Grief and mourning are not the same thing! Listen to the podcast to hear how these two things are different and put into practice.  Listen as host Tim Jordan interviews the bereft: Evelyn Sigler-Avery (Larry’s wife), Cathy Avery-Lorton (Larry’s sister), his best friend of over 60 years, Ken Chisholm, and two of three of his adult children, Nathan Avery, and Holly Avery-Rugg, as they teach us lessons about living with loss and who Larry Avery was.      Resources for this podcast: * You Tube Video. Understanding the Experience of Loss. Dr. Timothy Jordan. Main Street. WLMB TV 40. With host, Virginia Bossa. https://youtu.be/a0QWYEmbw40?si=PmfqFBt29k3QfS7M [https://youtu.be/a0QWYEmbw40?si=PmfqFBt29k3QfS7M]   * Blog: (2022). Jordan, T. The Mountain That Everyone Must Climb. https://1795group.com/the-mountain-that-everyone-must-climb/ [https://1795group.com/the-mountain-that-everyone-must-climb/]   * Podcast: Death 20 Years Later. Do grief and mourning change over time?  An interview with Jeff and Deb Banks. https://1795group.com/episode/episode-5-death-20-years-later-do-grief-and-mourning-change-over-time-an-interview-with-jeff-and-deb-banks/ [https://1795group.com/episode/episode-5-death-20-years-later-do-grief-and-mourning-change-over-time-an-interview-with-jeff-and-deb-banks/]   * Podcast: Why Death Should Not Be Feared. An Interview with Nicole Kerr. https://1795group.com/episode/episode-16-why-death-should-not-be-feared-an-interview-with-nicole-kerr/ [https://1795group.com/episode/episode-16-why-death-should-not-be-feared-an-interview-with-nicole-kerr/]   * Blog (2023). Jordan, T. Death Should Not be Feared! https://1795group.com/death-should-not-be-feared/ [https://1795group.com/death-should-not-be-feared/]   * Website: Help for Prolonged Grief – The Columbia University Center. https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/ [https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/]   ========================================================================== * Listen to all episodes of Grass Roots Health: https://1795group.com/podcast/ [https://1795group.com/podcast/] or wherever people get podcasts.   * Interested in becoming a sponsor of this podcast? Contact me at: tjordan@1795consulting.com [tjordan@1795consulting.com]   * Thoughts? Feedback? Suggestions for topics or guests? Contact:  tjordan@1795consulting.com [tjordan@1795consulting.com]   * Grass Roots Health is produced and hosted by Tim Jordan.   * Artwork created by Priyanka Banerjee.     * Audio editing, mixing, and mastering by Suma Recording, Painesville, Ohio https://www.sumarecording.com/ [https://www.sumarecording.com/]   * Website design by Alex Brinkman, Green Tree Media, Perrysburg, Ohio greentreemediallc.com [http://www.greentreemediallc.com]

Two Problems Youth Will Face in 2026.

What two problems will youth face in 2026 and beyond?  If trends do not change, the two primary problems of youth will face in 2026 and beyond will be school shootings and youth suicide. More than 25 years after the school shooting at Columbine High School, school shootings in the U.S., school shootings are going down after a high of 350 in 2023. You read that correctly! A school shooting is defined as every time a gun is brandished, fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims (including zero), time, day or the week, or reason, including gang shootings, domestic violence, shootings at sports events. In terms of suicide, it is now the second leading cause of death for individuals aged 10-14 and the third for those aged 15-24 in the United States. Suicides just keep going up! Children's hospitals have seen a massive increase in emergency department visits for suicide attempts and self-injury among children aged 5-18 between 2016 and 2022, highlighting the ongoing crisis. Most concerning are the reports that have highlighted the dangers of generative artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots. Some parents have testified that the technology encouraged their children's suicide plans.   Listen as host Tim Jordan interviews Dr. Lisa Pescara Kovach, a true expert on the problems and youth.   ========================================================================== Resources for this podcast:   * The University of Toledo: https://www.utoledo.edu/ [https://www.utoledo.edu/]   * The Judith Herb College of Arts, Social Sciences, and Education utoledo.edu/jhc/ [http://www.utoledo.edu/jhc/]   * Lisa Pescara Kovach’s page at UToledo. https://www.utoledo.edu/jhc/about/faculty/lisa-pescara-kovach/   * Lisa Pescara Kovach’s page at Routledge Publisher. https://www.routledge.com/authors/i23262-lisa-pescara-kovach   * Book Co-Authored by Dr. Kovach: White Supremacist Violence: Understanding the Resurgence and Stopping the Spread (2023). Routledge Press, Taylor and Francis Group. https://www.amazon.com/White-Supremacist-Violence-Brian-Brunt/dp/1032058854 [https://www.amazon.com/White-Supremacist-Violence-Brian-Brunt/dp/1032058854]   * UToledo Center for Education in Mass Violence & Suicide utoledo.edu/jhc/centers/mass-violence-suicide/ [http://www.utoledo.edu/jhc/centers/mass-violence-suicide/]   * The Youth Risk Behavioral Surveillance System (YRBS) – The CDC - 2023 https://www.cdc.gov/yrbs/results/2023-yrbs-results.html   * Preventing School Shootings. https://violence.chop.edu/types-violence-involving-youth/school-shootings/preventing-school-shootings   * Article: (2025). Addressing Pediatric Suicide. The latest solutions, resources and data on the current mental health crisis for children's hospitals and health systems. Children’s Hospital Association https://www.childrenshospitals.org/content/behavioral-health/summary/the-state-of-pediatric-suicide [https://www.childrenshospitals.org/content/behavioral-health/summary/the-state-of-pediatric-suicide]   * Report: The Facts on Mental Illness and Mass Shootings. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/the-facts-on-mental-illness-and-mass-shootings/   * Research: Is There a Link Between Mental Health and Mass Shootings? https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/mass-shootings-and-mental-illness [https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/mass-shootings-and-mental-illness]?   * Article: (2022). Ghaedi, M.  Mass shootings and mental illness: It’s complicated. In DW, In Focus, Society, United States of America. https://www.dw.com/en/mass-shootings-and-mental-illness-its-complicated/a-62388111 [https://www.dw.com/en/mass-shootings-and-mental-illness-its-complicated/a-62388111]   * Blog: What Do We Do About the Gun Problem in America? https://1795group.com/what-do-we-do-about-the-gun-problem-in-america/ [https://1795group.com/what-do-we-do-about-the-gun-problem-in-america/]   * Podcast: Season 1, Episode 11. When Gun Violence Becomes Personal. An interview with Rhonda Hart. https://1795group.com/episode/episode-11-when-gun-violence-becomes-personal-an-interview-with-rhonda-hart/ [https://1795group.com/episode/episode-11-when-gun-violence-becomes-personal-an-interview-with-rhonda-hart/]   * Podcast: Season 1, Episode 12. The Myth the Mental Illness Causes Mass Shootings. An interview with Lisa Pescara Kovach, PhD https://1795group.com/episode/episode-12-the-myth-that-mental-illness-causes-mass-shootings-an-interview-with-lisa-pescara-kovach-ph-d-episode-12/ [https://1795group.com/episode/episode-12-the-myth-that-mental-illness-causes-mass-shootings-an-interview-with-lisa-pescara-kovach-ph-d-episode-12/] ==========================================================================   * Listen to all episodes of Grass Roots Health: https://1795group.com/podcast/ [https://1795group.com/podcast/] or wherever people get podcasts.   * Interested in becoming a sponsor of this podcast? Contact me at: tjordan@1795consulting.com [tjordan@1795consulting.com]   * Thoughts? Feedback? Suggestions for topics or guests? Contact:  tjordan@1795consulting.com [tjordan@1795consulting.com]   * Grass Roots Health is produced and hosted by Tim Jordan.   * Artwork created by Priyanka Banerjee.     * Audio editing, mixing, and mastering by Suma Recording, Painesville, Ohio https://www.sumarecording.com/ [https://www.sumarecording.com/]   * Website design by Alex Brinkman, Green Tree Media, Perrysburg, Ohio greentreemediallc.com [http://www.greentreemediallc.com]