Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

The $79 Trillion Price of Inequality (with Carter Price)

Over the last 50 years, nearly $79 trillion that could have gone to the bottom 90%…didn’t. Where did it go—and what did that cost you? Nick and Goldy are joined by Carter Price, senior mathematician at the RAND Corporation, to break down how rising inequality reshaped wages, growth, and even the federal budget—and why the economy feels so disconnected from everyday life. Because this isn’t just about who got richer. It’s about what everyone else lost. Carter Price is a Senior Mathematician at the RAND Corporation and Professor of Policy Analysis at the RAND School of Public Policy Social Media: @CarterCPrice [https://x.com/CarterCPrice] Further reading:  Measuring the Income Gap from 1975 to 2023 [https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-2.html] RAND Budget Model: Groundbreaking insights into the everyday impacts of federal policy [https://www.rand.org/education-employment-infrastructure/projects/rand-budget-initiative.html] Unlocking the Tax Code with RAND's Tax Code Analysis Tool [https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RBA4392-1.html] Preliminary Strategies for Reducing the Burden of Federal Debt [https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA2614-4.html] Impacts of the Retirement Savings for Americans Act [https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA2614-3.html] Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com [http://pitchforkeconomics.com/] Facebook: Pitchfork Economics Podcast [https://www.facebook.com/pitchforkeconomics] Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social] Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.instagram.com/pitchforkeconomics/?hl=en] Threads: pitchforkeconomics [https://www.threads.net/@pitchforkeconomics] TikTok: @pitchfork_econ [https://www.tiktok.com/@pitchfork_econ] YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.youtube.com/@pitchforkeconomics] LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics [https://www.linkedin.com/company/pitchfork-economics/] Twitter: @PitchforkEcon [https://twitter.com/PitchforkEcon], @NickHanauer [https://twitter.com/nickhanauer?lang=en] Substack: ⁠The Pitch⁠ [https://civicventures.substack.com/]

Swiftynomics: Who’s Afraid of Women’s Economic Power? (with Misty Heggeness)

What Is Swiftynomics—and Why Does It Matter? Taylor Swift didn’t just break records—she broke the way economists think about the economy. Because if one artist can reshape entire cities overnight, what else are we missing? This week, economist Misty Heggeness uses the “Swift effect” to expose a bigger problem: the models we rely on weren’t built to see women’s power, unpaid care, or culture as real economic forces. What would change about our economy if we actually counted women’s work—and treated culture as real economic power? Misty Heggeness is an economist and the author of Swiftynomics: How Women Mastermind and Redefine Our Economy [https://bookshop.org/a/101360/9780520403116], which uses Taylor Swift and broader pop culture as a lens for examining women’s economic power, labor markets, and the persistent blind spots in mainstream economic thinking. Social Media: mlheggeness [https://www.instagram.com/mlheggeness/] @m_heggeness [https://x.com/m_heggeness] Further reading:  Swiftynomics: How Women Mastermind and Redefine Our Economy [https://bookshop.org/a/101360/9780520403116] Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com [http://pitchforkeconomics.com/] Facebook: Pitchfork Economics Podcast [https://www.facebook.com/pitchforkeconomics] Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social] Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.instagram.com/pitchforkeconomics/?hl=en] Threads: pitchforkeconomics [https://www.threads.net/@pitchforkeconomics] TikTok: @pitchfork_econ [https://www.tiktok.com/@pitchfork_econ] YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.youtube.com/@pitchforkeconomics] LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics [https://www.linkedin.com/company/pitchfork-economics/] Twitter: @PitchforkEcon [https://twitter.com/PitchforkEcon], @NickHanauer [https://twitter.com/nickhanauer?lang=en] Substack: ⁠The Pitch⁠ [https://civicventures.substack.com/]

Same Cart, Different Price: When the Invisible Hand Becomes an Algorithm (with Lindsay Owens)

The price you see online might not be the real price. A new investigation found that Instacart was quietly running pricing experiments—charging different customers different prices for the same groceries at the same time. This week, Paul and Goldy talk with Groundwork Collaborative Executive Director Lindsay Owens about how companies are using AI and massive data sets to run experiments on consumers—testing exactly how much each of us is willing to pay. And if every shopper sees a different price, one big question follows: Do markets still work the way economists say they do? Lindsay Owens is the Executive Director of the economic think tank Groundwork Collaborative and author of the forthcoming book, GOUGED: The End of a Fair Price in America [https://bookshop.org/a/101360/9798217058785]. Further Reading:  Same Cart, Different Price: Instacart’s Price Experiments Cost Families at Checkout [https://groundworkcollaborative.org/work/instacart/] We Had 400 People Shop For Groceries. What We Found Will Shock You. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osxr7xSxsGo] Gouged: The End of a Fair Price--and What That Means for Your Wallet [https://bookshop.org/a/101360/9798217058785] Social Media: BlueSky: @lindsayowens.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/lindsayowens.bsky.social] Instagram: @lindsayowensphd [https://www.instagram.com/lindsayowensphd/] TikTok: @lindsayowensphd [https://www.tiktok.com/@lindsayowensphd] Twitter: @owenslindsay1 [https://x.com/owenslindsay1] BlueSky: @groundwork.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/groundwork.bsky.social] Twitter: @Groundwork [https://x.com/Groundwork] Organizations developing policy on surveillence pricing:  American Economic Liberties Project [https://www.economicliberties.us/learn/our-work/] Economic Security Project [https://economicsecurityproject.org/campaign/combating-the-price-crisis/] Tech Equity [https://techequity.us/people-first-ai/] Consumer Reports  [https://www.consumerreports.org/] More Perfect Union [https://perfectunion.us/] Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com [http://pitchforkeconomics.com/] Facebook: Pitchfork Economics Podcast [https://www.facebook.com/pitchforkeconomics] Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social] Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.instagram.com/pitchforkeconomics/?hl=en] Threads: pitchforkeconomics [https://www.threads.net/@pitchforkeconomics] TikTok: @pitchfork_econ [https://www.tiktok.com/@pitchfork_econ] YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.youtube.com/@pitchforkeconomics] LinkedIn: ⁠Pitchfork Economics⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/pitchfork-economics/] Twitter: @PitchforkEcon [https://twitter.com/PitchforkEcon], @NickHanauer [https://twitter.com/nickhanauer?lang=en] Substack: The Pitch [https://civicventures.substack.com/]

Should There Be a Limit to Wealth? (with Ingrid Robeyns)

Economic debates often focus on poverty — how to raise wages, strengthen safety nets, and ensure people don’t fall too far behind. But what if fairness also requires asking a different question: how much wealth is too much? This week, we’re resharing our conversation with ethics professor Ingrid Robeyns about her idea of limitarianism — the argument that societies should place moral limits on extreme wealth accumulation. Rather than starting with policy prescriptions, Robeyns asks a deeper question about justice, democracy, and what kind of economy we want to live in. As inequality continues to dominate public debate, this conversation invites listeners to reconsider something we rarely question: not just how to lift people up, but whether an economy without limits at the top can truly work for everyone. Ingrid Robeyns is a distinguished scholar and Professor of Ethics of Institutions at Utrecht University, and author of the new book, Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth. Professor Robeyns’ research in the field of Ethics and Political Philosophy focuses on issues of justice, inequality, well-being, and the ethical dimensions of societal structures and policies. Social Media: @ingridrobeyns.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:udbisjvnwro34l4dqysk3cah]  @IngridRobeyns [https://twitter.com/ingridrobeyns?lang=en] Further reading:  Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth [https://bookshop.org/a/101360/9781662603365] Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com [http://pitchforkeconomics.com/] Facebook: Pitchfork Economics Podcast [https://www.facebook.com/pitchforkeconomics] Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social] Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.instagram.com/pitchforkeconomics/?hl=en] Threads: pitchforkeconomics [https://www.threads.net/@pitchforkeconomics] TikTok: @pitchfork_econ [https://www.tiktok.com/@pitchfork_econ] YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.youtube.com/@pitchforkeconomics] LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics [https://www.linkedin.com/company/pitchfork-economics/] Twitter: @PitchforkEcon [https://twitter.com/PitchforkEcon], @NickHanauer [https://twitter.com/nickhanauer?lang=en] Substack: ⁠The Pitch⁠ [https://civicventures.substack.com/]

AI Won’t Decide the Future of Work—We Will (with David Autor)

Every wave of new technology has come with the same promise: productivity rises, and everyone benefits. That’s not how it usually plays out. This week, we’re resharing our conversation with MIT economist David Autor, one of the world’s leading experts on how technological change reshapes labor markets. Autor challenges the familiar story that innovation inevitably destroys good jobs, arguing instead that AI could expand human expertise and help rebuild pathways into the middle class — if the gains are broadly shared. As companies race to adopt AI and workers wonder what comes next, this episode offers a clearer way to think about the future of work: technology doesn’t determine economic outcomes. The rules we build around it do. David Autor is a labor economist and professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who studies how technological change and globalization affect workers. He is also co-director of the MIT Shaping the Future of Work Initiative and the National Bureau of Economic Research Labor Studies Program. Social Media: @davidautor.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/davidautor.bsky.social] @davidautor [https://x.com/davidautor] Further reading:  NOEMA - AI Could Actually Help Rebuild The Middle Class [https://www.noemamag.com/author/david-autor/] New York Times - How One Tech Skeptic Decided A.I. Might Benefit the Middle Class [https://archive.ph/J3qw9] Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com [http://pitchforkeconomics.com/] Facebook: Pitchfork Economics Podcast [https://www.facebook.com/pitchforkeconomics] Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social] Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.instagram.com/pitchforkeconomics/?hl=en] Threads: pitchforkeconomics [https://www.threads.net/@pitchforkeconomics] TikTok: @pitchfork_econ [https://www.tiktok.com/@pitchfork_econ] YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics [https://www.youtube.com/@pitchforkeconomics] LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics [https://www.linkedin.com/company/pitchfork-economics/] Twitter: @PitchforkEcon [https://twitter.com/PitchforkEcon], @NickHanauer [https://twitter.com/nickhanauer?lang=en] Substack: ⁠The Pitch⁠ [https://civicventures.substack.com/]