The Talk Show With John Gruber

Special guest David Smith returns to the show for a developer's perspective look at WWDC 2025. Sponsored by: * TRMNL [https://usetrmnl.com/go/gruber]: A hackable e-ink display. Save $15 with code GRUBER. * Squarespace [https://squarespace.com/talkshow]: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good [http://podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11]. Links: * Michael Flarup's mockup for a MacOS 26 Finder icon [https://x.com/flarup/status/1932798949749936200] * Louie Mantia's (even better) mockup for a MacOS 26 Finder icon [https://pdx.social/@louie/114742479098781460] * Benedict Evans: “The Best Is the Last [https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2016/4/20/the-best-is-the-last]” * Podsearch [https://podsearch.david-smith.org] * Under the Radar [https://www.relay.fm/radar] * David-Smith.org [https://david-smith.org/] * Widgetsmith [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/widgetsmith/id1523682319] * Pedometer++ [https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pedometer++/id712286167] * Sleep++ [https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sleep++/id1038440371] * Widgetsmith [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/widgetsmith/id1523682319] * Hands-On: How Apple’s New Speech APIs Outpace Whisper for Lightning-Fast Transcription [https://www.macstories.net/stories/hands-on-how-apples-new-speech-apis-outpace-whisper-for-lightning-fast-transcription/] * Tim Cook Reveals Apple’s Vision for Movies and TV [https://variety.com/2025/film/news/f1-apple-movie-strategy-tim-cook-lewis-hamilton-1236424270/] * Musk’s xAI Burns Through $1 Billion a Month as Costs Pile Up [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-17/musk-s-xai-burning-through-1-billion-a-month-as-costs-pile-up] This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Special guest David Smith returns to the show for a developer's perspective look at WWDC 2025. Sponsored by: * TRMNL [https://usetrmnl.com/go/gruber]: A hackable e-ink display. Save $15 with code GRUBER. * Squarespace [https://squarespace.com/talkshow]: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good [http://podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11]. Links: * Michael Flarup's mockup for a MacOS 26 Finder icon [https://x.com/flarup/status/1932798949749936200] * Louie Mantia's (even better) mockup for a MacOS 26 Finder icon [https://pdx.social/@louie/114742479098781460] * Benedict Evans: “The Best Is the Last [https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2016/4/20/the-best-is-the-last]” * Podsearch [https://podsearch.david-smith.org] * Under the Radar [https://www.relay.fm/radar] * David-Smith.org [https://david-smith.org/] * Widgetsmith [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/widgetsmith/id1523682319] * Pedometer++ [https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pedometer++/id712286167] * Sleep++ [https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sleep++/id1038440371] * Widgetsmith [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/widgetsmith/id1523682319] * Hands-On: How Apple’s New Speech APIs Outpace Whisper for Lightning-Fast Transcription [https://www.macstories.net/stories/hands-on-how-apples-new-speech-apis-outpace-whisper-for-lightning-fast-transcription/] * Tim Cook Reveals Apple’s Vision for Movies and TV [https://variety.com/2025/film/news/f1-apple-movie-strategy-tim-cook-lewis-hamilton-1236424270/] * Musk’s xAI Burns Through $1 Billion a Month as Costs Pile Up [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-17/musk-s-xai-burning-through-1-billion-a-month-as-costs-pile-up] This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Chance Miller returns to the show to discuss the news and announcements from WWDC 2025. Sponsored by: * Factor [https://factormeals.com/talkshow50off]: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off plus free shipping on your first box with code talkshow50off. * Squarespace [https://squarespace.com/talkshow]: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow. * BetterHelp [https://betterhelp.com/talkshow]: Give online therapy a try at BetterHelp and get on your way to being your best self. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good [http://podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11]. Links: * Daring Fireball: “One Week Out, Some Brief Thoughts and Observations on WWDC 2025” [https://daringfireball.net/2025/06/some_brief_thoughts_and_observations_on_wwdc_2025]. * WatchOS 26 finally supports once-per-second ticking seconds hands on more watch faces on Series 10 [https://9to5mac.com/2025/06/09/watchos-26-more-apple-watch-faces-using-series-10s-upgraded-display/]. * The ongoing dispute between Apple and Massimo over the blood oxygen sensors in recent Apple Watch models [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Watch_health_monitoring_patent_dispute]. * May 2024: “Apple Apologizes for Controversial iPad Pro Ad, Scraps Plans for TV Campaign [https://9to5mac.com/2024/05/09/ipad-pro-crush-ad-apology/]”. * August 2024: “Apple Pulls Latest Ad After Criticism Over Depiction of Thailand [https://www.macrumors.com/2024/08/02/apple-pulls-latest-underdogs-ad/]”. This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose Tuesday evening, special guests Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel join me to discuss Apple’s announcements at WWDC 2025. Video: This show is available to watch in 4K video on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqwPUHTFEkg]. 3D video with spatial audio: Exclusively in Sandwich Vision [https://sandwich.vision/]'s Theater [https://apps.apple.com/app/theater-the-future-of-cinema/id6502666560] on Vision Pro, available on the App Store. Sponsored by: * iMazing [https://imazing.com/thetalkshow]: The world’s most trusted software to transfer and save your messages, music, files, and data from your iPhone or iPad to your Mac or PC. * DetailsPro [https://detailspro.app?utm_campaign=dfwwdc25]: Design with SwiftUI anytime, anywhere -- on iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple Vision Pro. * Ooni [https://ooni.com/thetalkshow]: Next-gen pizza power. The Koda 2 Pro oven features smarter heat, more room, and easier control. Save 10% with code thetalkshow. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good [http://podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11]. Links: * WWDC 2025 Keynote [https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/101]. * Joanna’s full 24-minute interview with Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEkK1YzqBo] this week. * The Verge: 28-minute supercut of the WWDC 2025 keynote and their take on the 13 biggest announcements [https://www.theverge.com/news/682769/apple-wwdc-2025-biggest-announcements-ios-26]. This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Patrick McGee joins the show to discuss his must-read new book, Apple in China -- one of the best books about Apple anyone has ever written. Sponsored by: * Factor [https://factormeals.com/talkshow50off]: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off plus free shipping on your first box. * Notion [https://notion.com/talkshow]: Your notes, docs, and projects in one space. * Squarespace [https://squarespace.com/talkshow]: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good [http://podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11]. Links: * “Apple in China [https://bookshop.org/a/56320/9781668053379]”, Patrick’s spectacular new book. * Patrick on The Daily Show With Jon Stewart [https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/05/22/mcgee-daily-show]. * Excerpt from the book in the Sunday Times of London [https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/technology/article/how-apple-helped-china-become-americas-biggest-tech-rival-8f83tttv5]. This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.