Rough Draft with Keidra and Liz Podcast

Rough Draft #15 Ben Tanzer: God Damn Gem

This ep we welcome Ben Tanzer! Writer, a teacher, storyteller, and general force of positivity - we've both known him for years! Host of This Podcast Will Change Your Life [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-podcast-will-change-your-life/id564098800] and ambassador of well, introducing people to each other, Ben is one of our faves.  We talk about Ben's guidelines for hype and joy, the difference between hustle culture and diligence, and being comfortable with failure, among other things. We did an exchange program! Recently, Ben had us on This Podcast Will Change Your Life #382 [https://www.tanzerben.com/blog/this-podcast-will-change-your-life-liz-mason-keidra-chaney-rough-draft-podcast]! We talked creative roadmapping, work legacy and more. It was great, and like this episode of RD, super inspiring. Wanna listen to us separately on his podcast in 2015 before Liz and Keidra knew each other?!  Liz was on #110 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-podcast-will-change-your-life-episode-one-hundred/id564098800?i=1000343748316] + Keidra was on #127 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-podcast-will-change-your-life-episode-one-hundred/id564098800?i=1000362943454].   Where to find Ben!: Ben's most recent book! After Hours: Scorsese, Grief and the Grammar of Cinema [https://www.igpub.com/after-hours/] (ig publishing) Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-podcast-will-change-your-life/id564098800] tanzerben.com [https://www.tanzerben.com/] LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanzerben/] TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@bentanzer] Substack [https://bentanzer.substack.com/]   us!: Keidra's stuff: @keidrachaney [https://www.instagram.com/keidrachaney/] + @wildramppublishing [https://www.instagram.com/wildramppublishing/] + bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social] + bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social] + wildramppublishing.com [https://wildramppublishing.com/]  + keidradchaney.net [https://kdcstrategy.com/] Liz's stuff: @caboosezine [https://www.instagram.com/caboosezine/] + lizmasonisawesome.com [https://lizmasonisawesome.com/] + linktr.ee/caboosezine [https://linktr.ee/caboosezine]

Rough Draft #14 Zine Scenes

This time around we talk Zine Scenes! In other words, what excites us with zine distros, fests we like (or wanna go to!) and collectives. Plus, a new endeavor! Links of stuff we talked about: Distros Sugar Hijinx [https://www.instagram.com/sugarhijinx] Brown Recluse Zine Distro [https://www.brownreclusezinedistro.com/] Wasted Ink Zine Distro Zine Distro [https://www.wizd-az.com/] ilovezines.com [http://ilovezines.com] Antiquated Future [https://www.antiquatedfuture.com/] Portland Button Works & Spiral House Shop [https://portlandbuttonworks.com/] Fests The Sick And Disabled Zine & Craft Fair [https://www.instagram.com/sadzcf/] Grand Rapids Zine Fest [https://grzinefest.com/] Milwaukee Zine Fest [https://milwaukeezinefest.com] Black Zine Fair NY [https://blackzinefair.org/] Black Zine Fair Detroit [https://blackzinefair.org/detroit/] Festival of the Photocopier [https://fotp.online/] Grid Zine Fest [https://gridzinefest.org/] Madison Print & Resist [https://madisonprintandresist.wordpress.com/] South Side Zine Fest [https://zineclubchicago.com/] The Zine Pavilion at ALA [https://www.instagram.com/zinepavilion/] Collectives/co-ops/communities Razorcake [https://razorcake.org/] Justseeds Artists’ Cooperative [http://justseeds.com] Hallogallo & friends [https://www.hallogallo.rocks/] Dreamworldgirl Zine [https://www.dreamworldgirlzine.com/] ZapLit Zine Library [https://www.instagram.com/zaplitlibrary/] at Electric Lady Lounge [https://www.instagram.com/electricladylounge/] Crucial Comix [https://www.crucialcomix.com/]   us!: Keidra's stuff: @keidrachaney [https://www.instagram.com/keidrachaney/] + @wildramppublishing [https://www.instagram.com/wildramppublishing/] + bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social] + bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social] + wildramppublishing.com [https://wildramppublishing.com/]  + kdcstrategy.com [https://kdcstrategy.com/] Liz's stuff: @caboosezine [https://www.instagram.com/caboosezine/] + lizmasonisawesome.com [https://lizmasonisawesome.com/] + linktr.ee/caboosezine [https://linktr.ee/caboosezine]

Rough Draft #13 K-pop 101 in 15 Minutes

We set a timer for 15 minutes and Liz grilled Keidra, the resident K-pop superfan about the topic. Keidra killed it with a history of the genre, as well as some personal commentary about her interest in the bands and the fan culture. A mini-episode! Stuff we said we'd post!: SUPER JUNIOR [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFipx49muiJ8-d2YsnLlNVw] NCT [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwgtORdDtUKhpjE1VBv6XfA] SHINee [https://shinee.jp/] 2NE1 [https://music.youtube.com/channel/UCnsQjCVzmEd-YvlQZbo6zCg] TWICE [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzgxx_DM2Dcb9Y1spb9mUJA] BTS [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTS] BLACKPINK [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOmHUn--16B90oW2L6FRR3A] thebiaslist.com [https://thebiaslist.com/] Keidra writing about K-pop Fandom at Prism [https://prismreports.org/2020/06/26/the-kpop-fans-will-save-us-narrative-misses-the-bigger-social-justice-picture/] Keidra on the Fansplaining Podcast on this very topic [https://www.fansplaining.com/episodes/128-the-k-pop-narratives] The book chapter Keidra wrote [https://www.academia.edu/71733070/Why_K_Pop_Will_Continue_to_Dominate_Social_Media_Jenkins_Convergence_Culture_in_Action]   us!: Keidra's stuff: instagram.com/keidrachaney [https://www.instagram.com/keidrachaney/] + instagram.com/wildramppublishing [https://www.instagram.com/wildramppublishing/] + bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social] + bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social] + instagram.com/caboosezine [https://www.instagram.com/caboosezine/] + lizmasonisawesome.com [https://lizmasonisawesome.com/] + linktr.ee/caboosezine [https://linktr.ee/caboosezine]

Rough Draft #12 Interview Featuring Cynthia E. Hanifin

Look at us! Our first guest! Zine Club Chicago producer Cynthia E. Hanifin introduced us to each other via South Side Zine Fest, so of course she's our first interviewee! She is also an organizer for South Side Zine Fest, the founder of the South Side Zine Library and other very interesting things.  We talked to her about interacting with the world through a  DIY lens, accessibility, community, connection, creativity, and the overlap between her work as an arts organizer and a social worker. And a whole lot more, including using Cheez-It boxes for zine holders and a big zine fest announcement.   Links! Cynthia's stuff: zineclubchicago.com [https://zineclubchicago.com/] @zineclubchicago [https://www.instagram.com/zineclubchicago] @exilefromguyville [https://www.instagram.com/exilefromguyville/] Keidra's stuff: instagram.com/keidrachaney [https://www.instagram.com/keidrachaney/] + instagram.com/wildramppublishing [https://www.instagram.com/wildramppublishing/] + bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social] + bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social] Liz's stuff: instagram.com/caboosezine [https://www.instagram.com/caboosezine/] + lizmasonisawesome.com [https://lizmasonisawesome.com/]

Rough Draft #11 What We Liked and What We’re Looking Forward to

Media overview! This week we talk about what we what we loved in 2025, what we're enjoying now, and what we're looking forward to in 2026, all done courtesy of our eternal quest for  connection. Topics covered: the relief of recognition and weirdly long web urls/email addresses/band names/album names/people names/lists, you get the idea. We said we'd post this stuff in the links, so here we go!: Portalmania [https://bookshop.org/p/books/portalmania-stories-debbie-urbanski/e41cc39ad65b21cd?ean=9781668061114&next=t] and After World [https://bookshop.org/p/books/after-world-a-novel-debbie-urbanski/a8a60ae84ad421d8?ean=9781668023464&next=t] by Debbie Urbanski novels by R. F. Kuang [https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=R.+F.+Kuang] Heated Rivalry + Game Changers Book Series [https://bookshop.org/lists/game-changers-book-series-in-order-including-heated-rivalry?new-list-page=true&curated=false&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dsa_nonbrand&utm_content=%7Badgroupname%7D&utm_term=aud-1885352274184:dsa-19959388920&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=12440232635&gbraid=0AAAAACfld42QqAfz5tzrXDOya7BtQ57t3&gclid=Cj0KCQiA18DMBhDeARIsABtYwT1-Jxp8ds83X-cxd7xgO9BxZyj8FTdOxJOrjpPnENByJZcCmGfTkOIaAouVEALw_wcB] by Rachel Reid The Woman in the Purple Skirt A Novel [https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-woman-in-the-purple-skirt-a-novel-natsuko-imamura/7dad9bd9010ced29?ean=9780143136033&next=t] by Natsuko Imamura Liz's CHIRP Top 10 for 2025 [https://chirpradio.org/blog/chirp-radio-best-of-2025-liz-mason] & radio show [https://chirpradio.org/dj/13237] One Song Podcast [https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/4a98x-2c1022/One-Song-Podcast] World Clique [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNPGM2D7aODcE3-11nicCDreDH7aG01iF] by Deee-Lite Infinite Games [https://consumables.bandcamp.com/album/infinite-games] by Consumables ATM : BODEGA AT THIS MOMENT Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/atm-bodega-at-this-moment/id1759971591] It's A Beautiful Place [https://waterfromyoureyes.bandcamp.com/album/its-a-beautiful-place]by Water From Your Eyes THE FUTURE IS HERE AND EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED [https://thearmed.bandcamp.com/album/the-future-is-here-and-everything-needs-to-be-destroyed] by The Armed Poet | Artist! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7i_Nk7LkA&t=8s] by SHINee Imperial f.f.r.r. [https://unrest.bandcamp.com/album/imperial-f-f-r-r] by Unrest The Long Arm Stapler Podcast! Episode with Keidra here [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s8e2-keidra-of-wild-ramp-publishing/id1386405014?i=1000747830317]! Episode with Liz here [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s6e12-liz-mason/id1386405014?i=1000714316245]! Chicagozinefest.org [http://Chicagozinefest.org]   What are you listening to/reading RIGHT NOW? Drop us a line at roughdraftchicagopodcast@gmail.com and we'll talk about it on the show.   us: Keidra: instagram.com/keidrachaney [https://www.instagram.com/keidrachaney/] + instagram.com/wildramppublishing [https://www.instagram.com/wildramppublishing/] + bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/kdc.bsky.social] + bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/wildramppublishing.bsky.social] Liz: instagram.com/caboosezine [https://www.instagram.com/caboosezine/] + lizmasonisawesome.com [https://lizmasonisawesome.com/]   Looking at this on Apple Podcasts and want to just click on hyperlinks? Go to our Podbean site to click on this episode at https://roughdraftwithkeidraandliz.podbean.com [https://roughdraftwithkeidraandliz.podbean.com].