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Caerphilly RFC Head Coach Gareth Short | Matt on MH #5

🧠 ACE Podcast Nation Presents: Matt on Mental Health #5 – Caerphilly RFC Head Coach Gareth Short Welcome to *Matt on Mental Health, an inspiring and emotional series from ACE Podcast Nation where host Matt sits down with people from all walks of life to discuss their **invisible battles**, **mental health journeys**, and the realities behind the smiles. Each episode aims to *raise awareness around men’s mental health**, **break the stigma**, and **encourage open conversation* through powerful, honest storytelling. From personal struggles and recovery stories to fundraising, community work, and resilience — this series shines a light on the strength it takes to keep going when the world can’t see the fight inside. ⚡ *Episode 5 – Gareth Short (Caerphilly RFC Head Coach)* In this episode, Matt is joined by **Caerphilly RFC Head Coach Gareth Short**, who opens up about his **journey through rugby, leadership, and mental health**. Gareth shares the **pressures of coaching**, the **importance of team culture**, and how sport can both challenge and save lives. He talks candidly about the **invisible battles men face**, the **impact of mental health within sport**, and why community, honesty, and talking are key to breaking the cycle. This will be another truly inspiring conversation that is emotional, insightful, and truly inspiring — a must-watch for anyone passionate about **mental wellbeing**, **rugby**, and **real stories that matter**. --- 💬 *Join the Conversation* If you’ve been affected by the themes discussed in this episode, remember — *you’re not alone.* Reach out, talk to someone, and help us spread the message that *it’s okay not to be okay.* 📢 *Subscribe* for more powerful stories, fundraisers, and awareness episodes from Matt on Mental Health, only on **ACE Podcast Nation**. 🎧 *Listen. Learn. Share. Break the stigma.*🔗 *Follow & Support* 💙 *ACE Podcast Nation* – By fans, for fans, and for the community. Twitter/X: [@ACEcast_Nation](  / acecast_nation   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqazJ5dHFJVE9zU1YxUFZRSEdUUkFYcGlia2hhQXxBQ3Jtc0tuUEVrZ1hqOXVsSGs4NmpvbVBOSG9pZkg2WEsxb1l0N2xIbTFEZEc3ME16ZnlCNERUa0RvdVJ3bmZQRDA0Zy11aGo3OXZSZ2JWaE96VW9SWFhsazRoNXR5Snl5dHpqZWh6N2JVQ1l2UG92TS1TLU9XYw&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FACEcast_Nation&v=16zSYgNgpOA]) Instagram: [@ACEPodcastNation](  / acepodcastnation   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa2RWMC1Iblk4d3lBeV93T0xXYzF2c043V0g1QXxBQ3Jtc0trX0gwSVB3MVpRaXJZa05IMHg1d3ExeU5rY0JmMmxobDFtQ2xhLUNNNUcwLVl2NGJjbGVqVDh0MGdieGRsNVFEenpIVURueVBYRW1TOTlzMnc5MkRHX3pyUFNVN0hha0lmaUZHaEZmWjluVlF2MzFxdw&q=https%3A%2F%2Finstagram.com%2FACEPodcastNation&v=16zSYgNgpOA]) [@Si1927](  / si1927   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqblRJd0Y1OHp3SWFfak1OdXI5T3VIOGlkemhFZ3xBQ3Jtc0tuUkFYeTJuRkdNZ0xlNk9Ha2JZcjE1dm1DNDE4WXhxVFdtQnZuSmJSZWs3TEFGMUNBRkxXM0EzZ1dEeEw4NTEybkFNME5VRmNsSXpoU3Mzbk9zdkxzWTF0RERoOVJoRmNfT3VqM1pjUGpWcllPTUJtWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FSi1927&v=16zSYgNgpOA]) Host: Matthew Angel | Guest: Gareth Short (Caerphilly RFC) #MensMentalHealth [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/mensmentalhealth] #MattOnMentalHealth [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/mattonmentalhealth] #ACENation [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/acenation] #ACEPodcastNation [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/acepodcastnation] #MentalHealthAwareness [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/mentalhealthawareness] #ItsOkayNotToBeOkay [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/itsokaynottobeokay] #EndTheStigma [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/endthestigma] #MentalHealthMatters [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/mentalhealthmatters] #RugbyFamily [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/rugbyfamily] #CaerphillyRFC [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/caerphillyrfc] #WalesRugby [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/walesrugby] #TalkListenSupport [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/talklistensupport] #SuicidePrevention [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/suicideprevention] #InvisibleBattles [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/invisiblebattles] #MindOverMatter [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/mindovermatter] #Wellbeing [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/wellbeing] #RealTalk [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/realtalk] #RugbyCommunity [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/rugbycommunity] #MentalHealthPodcast [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/mentalhealthpodcast] #MensWel [https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/menswel] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

My battle with Blood Cancer | Penallta RFC Youth Coach Gareth Williams | Matt on MH #4

This week on the podcast we’re joined by Gareth, head coach at Penallta Youth RFC, who shares his incredible journey of living with chronic myeloid leukaemia (CML) since being diagnosed during the UK lockdown in 2021. From gruelling treatments, bone marrow biopsies and daily chemotherapy tablets, to rebuilding his body and mind through training and endurance events, Gareth’s story is about much more than cancer — it’s about resilience, mental health, and finding strength in what you can control. He’s now taking on a year-long endurance challenge — including a half marathon, a 20-miler, the MK Marathon, and an ultra 50k — to raise awareness of blood cancer and raise funds for @LeukaemiaCareUK and also hopefully show what can be achieved if you focus on what you CAN do and not dwell on what you can’t do. 🎧 Don’t miss this powerful conversation about mental health, invisible illness, and the role movement can play in healing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

From 25 stone to inspirational Personal Trainer | Julian Spiller | Matt on MH #3

Signposted Cymru Donate - https://justgiving.com/signpostedcymru If you need help please call 07958449283 Socials https://www.facebook.com/share/1AKxpKPNHf https://www.instagram.com/signpostedcymru_mental_health_/ https://x.com/SignpostedC/status/1719324170004074535 https://www.tiktok.com/@signpostedcymru?lang=en Listen to Si on Cymru Sport 7-9pm every Wednesday live - https://cymrusport.cymru Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTfW_DZQZCIujgV_nBA13IA/join For @ACEPodcastNation & @CardiffCityWorld business enquires contact Si & Team below Si 1927 ACE Podcast Nation Founder & Presenter Rhodri Giggs on Football Host | Cardiff City World Presenter & Owner | Magnetic Book Lead Content Creator | Newport City Radio | Cymru Sport Radio | Canton RFC & Lisvane Panthers White Content Creator | The Hardest Game Producer | Content Creation, Podcasts, Live events, Editing, production & more Si Socials 📱Facebook.com/Simon.willis.980 🖥 twitter.com/@Si1927 Matty 📱twitter.com/@MattyAngel1983 🖥 Instagram.com/Matthew.Angel180 Rob 📱twitter.com/@Boyle.Rob 🖥 Instagram.com/WelshRobbo88 Rhys 🖥 Instagram.com/RhysDavidEvans EMAIL 📧 ACEnetworkcontact@gmail.com ✉️ CardiffCityWorld@gmail.com CARDIFF CITY WORLD SOCIALS 📱twitter.com/@CCFCWorld 📲 Facebook.com /cardiffcityworld ACE NATION MEDIA YOUTUBE CHANNELS 📽 / @acepodcastnation �� 📷 / @cardiffcityworld 📹 / @sugarsilkandstretch ACE NATION MEDIA SOCIALS 📲 www.instagram.com/ACEPodcastNationOfficial 💻 www.twitter.com/ACEcast_Nation 💻 www.facebook.com/ACEPodcastNationOfficial 🖥 www.linkedin.com/ACENationMedia 📱 www.tiktok.com/ACEPodcastNation Cardiff City World provides Bluebirds content 7 days a week. By Fans for Fans #CCFCWorld features live podcasts, content, analysis, vlogs, scout reports, previews, reactions, vlogs, breaking news & much more. Support the content & work we do by becoming a member at patreon.com/ACEPodcastNation for the price of a coffee per month. Get subscribed to ACE Podcast Nation for 3-5 show per week on Youtube & Patreon / acepodcastnation Audio DL: Rhodri Giggs on Football Website ► https://podcast.sport-social.co.uk/po... ✔ Rhodri Giggs on Football #ApplePodcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... ✔ Find Rhodri Giggs on Football at Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7D6KP6I... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

Matt on Mental Health #2 | ACE Nation Media Founder Si opens up

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Peter Nicholas | Former Wales International | Ex Chelsea, Palace & Arsenal midfielder

Join ACE Podcast Nation as they welcome Former Wales International Peter Nicholas. Peter Nicholas joins Si for a candid conversation about his life, career and playing career for clubs such as Arsenal, Chelsea, Palace and more In each episode of A.C.E Podcast Nation Presents My Story our founder and Host Si (@ACEcast_Nation) is joined by a different guest as they tell their story full of twists and turns and more. 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