Special Episode: He Lost Everything and Kept Going | Nat Ho, Hun Ming Kwang, Lim Pei Ying | CYT Seoul 2026
This isn’t just a story about chasing dreams.
It’s about what happens after everything falls apart.
In this special overseas episode of the team of Clean Your Toilet Podcast, Hun Ming Kwang and Lim Pei Ying sit down with Singaporean singer, songwriter, actor, entrepreneur Nat Ho — live from Korea — to unpack the reality behind reinvention, identity, and staying in the game when things get hard.
At one point, Nat lost his income overnight while juggling rent in Korea, a mortgage in Singapore, and the uncertainty of starting over in a foreign country.
No safety net. No guarantees.
But this wasn’t a story about whether to quit.
It was about learning how to keep going without losing himself in the process.
Nat shares:
- Why anxiety is often rooted in ego and how shifting into service changes everything
- The “mirror conversations” that helped him rebuild self-trust
- How he channels anger and criticism into fuel (the “cockroach mentality” 🪳)
- Why being a “responsible dreamer” matters more than just passion
- The "truths" we were programmed to accept about the creative industry (money, delays, survival), how the industry is being marginalised
- What it really means to pursue your dreams without losing yourself
- How struggling and suffering is optional, while pain is inevitable - why is it challenging for people to ask for help and how can we begin to change that
This is a raw, grounded look at what it takes to commit to your dreams, keep showing up for yourself, even when life doesn’t go according to plan. For the most part, most of our plans are merely a reflection of our past experiences. How many of our plans truly work the way we expect it to happen?
Sometimes, the answer lies in surrendering to the river of flow and instead of going against life, move with it.
If you’ve ever felt stuck, lost, or questioning your path…
This one is for you. This is for you to move with life, move with the river of consciousness just as the Han River brought us into Seoul.
Growth isn’t about having all the answers, it’s about learning how to let go of our illusions, expectations, perceptions, and keep going, keep commiting to ourselves, our growths, our deepest values and dreams. Walk your dreams as you keep your crown high.
🎙 About the Podcast
The Clean Your Toilet Podcast, hosted by Hun Ming Kwang and Lim Pei Ying, explores the inner work behind personal growth, leadership, and building a meaningful life through honest, unfiltered conversations.
⏱ Chapters
00:00 Losing Everything & Starting Over
05:30 Anxiety, Ego & Performance
12:10 Turning Anger Into Fuel
18:45 Asking for Help as a “Strong Person”
25:20 The Reality of the Creative Industry
32:00 AI vs Human Creativity
38:40 What It Really Means to Chase Your Dreams
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