Dish + Tell

Ride or Die: Salted Brown Butter Rice Krispie Treats and the Art of Adult Friendship

Love is on the brain at Dish + Tell because when this episode drops, Kayla’s friend and guest Morgan Klaas is days away from walking down the aisle. And while they could have talked about romance, they went somewhere even richer: the big, brave, beautiful world of adult friendship. Over a plate of Kayla’s Salted Brown Butter Rice Krispie treats (which Morgan has since rebranded "divorce treats" — you'll have to tune in for that story) and a glass of cava, they unpacked lost friends, the ones who stayed, and what loyalty looks like in action. Kayla also shares her belief that experiencing awe together might be the secret sauce to a lasting bond. In this episode, Kayla and Morgan explore: * Why adult friendship requires a different kind of intention — and what gets in the way * The "10X friendship" philosophy and how to apply it to your own circle * The difference between leading with love vs. leading with loyalty when making new friends * How shared experiences of awe — in nature, in music, in travel — create bonds that last * The loneliness epidemic and what it really means that 16% of Americans are turning to AI for companionship * Morgan's beautiful, tender definition of what true friendship looks like in its purest form As you listen, think about your own circle. Who's on the bus ride with you — and are they truly deserving of that seat? And is there room to invite someone new on for the next leg of the ride? The recipe for divorce treats (officially: Salted Brown Butter Rice Krispie treats, with a super secret ingredient) is live on Substack: substack.com/@kaylagorski [http://substack.com/@kaylagorski] 🥂 Cheers to Morgan and her HUSBAND, and all of the ones who show up. SHOW NOTES: 🎙️ Listen to The Huberman Lab [https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/cultivating-awe-and-emotional-connection-dr-dacher-keltner] podcast episode with Dr. Dacher Keltner referenced.  📖 Pick up a copy of Dan Sullivan’s 10x is easier than 2x wherever books are sold.  🌹 To re-live the moment when Kayla and Morgan FINALLY understood the magic and poetry of Drums and Space, listen to this Dead & Company show [https://open.spotify.com/album/3LsXJ5KjcPWjZpDSTVYmaR?si=B9EdxmOzRQeq-EXhBjUfAw] from Folsom Field, Boulder, July 3, 2023. KEY WORDS: friendship, loyalty, vulnerability, adult relationships, awe, support, connection, personal growth, social dynamics, emotional health, adult friendship, making friends as an adult, loneliness epidemic, 10X friendships, shine theory, meaningful relationships, friendship advice, Dish and Tell podcast, Rice Krispie treats recipe, salted brown butter treats, cava wine pairing

75 Scoops of Wisdom: A Blind Ice Cream Taste Test and Why Friendship Makes Life Sweet

Some people sit down at the table and brighten it immediately. Tom Levandoski is one of those people — and for his 75th birthday, there was only one way to celebrate: a blind ice cream taste test on Dish + Tell. Tom's love of ice cream runs deep, from hand-churning fresh peach ice cream with his dad to standing around the kitchen island, everyone sharing a spoon straight from the carton. So I gathered three contenders — Straus, Jeni's Splendid Ice Cream, and McConnell's (Nancy Silverton's pick) — and designed a judging rubric that would make a sommelier nervous. Who won? You’ll have to tune in!  We also get into 75 years of wisdom: why Woodstock taught him to never leave a concert early (sorry, Jimi), why friendship is the only thing that really matters, and Tom's personal motto: "Don't deny yourself anything. You're on vacation." Full judging rubric and details are on the Dish + Tell Substack [https://substack.com/@kaylagorski].  Curious about the science behind friendships that transcend age? It's worth reading this Harvard Study [https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/bonds-that-transcend-age].

When Life Gives You Lemons: Lemon Bars and Leaping Into the Unknown

What does it really mean to follow your happiness — and what does it cost? In this episode, Kayla sits down with Carolyn Williams, founder of Zephyr cycling and movement studio in Bozeman, Montana, over lemon bars and dog treats – because wherever Caro goes, her pups are at her side! Caro built something beautiful — and then had the courage to let it go. What she learned through that experience, and through other heartbreaks and heartquakes along the way, is the kind of wisdom that lingers long after the last bite: that following your happiness doesn't guarantee an easy, smooth, or grief-free path. But it does guarantee that the path is yours. This is a conversation about authenticity, entrepreneurship, reinvention, and the quiet bravery it takes to listen to your own heart — even when it's hard. Pull up a chair, we saved you a seat! Show Notes: * Score Kayla’s recipe for Lemon Bars and CharLu Ranch Bites by subscribing to the Dish + Tell Substack [https://substack.com/@kaylagorski].   * For more of Caro’s wisdom, subscribe to her Substack, The Aerie [https://luasmom.substack.com/]. She often features animals available for adoption, so give her a follow if you’d like to put her matchmaking skills to work!   * Did the bug soup analogy resonate? Learn more about Martha Beck’s “Change Cycle [https://marthabeck.com/change/].”  * If you love the sight of dogs without leashes, pick-up a copy of Dog Songs by Mary Oliver.  To learn more about the animal organizations mentioned in this episode, visit Heart of the Valley [https://www.heartofthevalleyshelter.org/], Spay Montana [https://www.spaymontana.org/], and Stafford Animal Shelter [https://staffordanimalshelter.org/] - there are a number of ways you can get involved!

Saddle Up: Cowboy Meatballs, Wine, and the Audacity to Ride Toward Your Passion

In this episode, Kayla is introduced to “Chuckwagon Sally” as she sits down with Nick Shore over a plate of Cowboy Meatballs.   Together, they talk about Nick’s big leap – the moment when he stopped trying to force himself into a conventional career path that didn’t feel quite right, and instead pursued his passion and opened Mischa’s Wine Shop in Bozeman.  Drops of God, full-circle moments from the vineyard and why this is the most exciting time in history for wine…pull up a chair, this is Dish + Tell! SHOW NOTES: * Score Kayla’s recipe for Cowboy Meatballs by subscribing to the Dish + Tell Substack [https://substack.com/@kaylagorski].  * Nick’s pick for this dish was a crushable cabernet franc from Terra Vita Vinum [https://www.terravitavinum.fr/en/vinum/large-soif-rouge-2022-reds], a producer from the Loire Valley in France.   * Follow Mischa’s on Instagram @MischasBozeman [https://www.instagram.com/mischasbozeman/?hl=en], or pop in when you find yourself on Bozeman’s Northside.  * Shout out to Domaine LA [https://www.instagram.com/domainela/?hl=en], the West Hollywood wine shop that helped Nick discover his love for wine.

The First Bite: Red Sauce, Meatballs and the Courage to Say YES!

For the first episode of the Dish + Tell podcast, Kayla sits down with Allison Fasano over a plate of pasta with red sauce and meatballs, a dish rich with memory and meaning.  Many know Allison as a chef and proud member of the Bills Mafia, but fewer know the winding, non-linear nature of her journey. As the two enjoy Allison’s favorite meal, their dinner conversation explores food as connection, learning to sit with fear, and the power of saying one life-changing word: yes.  Along the way, you’ll hear why Allison wasn’t allowed to eat spaghetti growing up and discover the secret meatball ingredient she and Kayla both swear by. So pull up a chair, this is Dish + Tell! SHOW NOTES: * Score Kayla’s recipe for Red Sauce and Meatballs by subscribing to the Dish + Tell Substack [https://substack.com/@kaylagorski].  * Follow Allison’s journey on Instagram @allisonfasano [https://www.instagram.com/allisonfasano/?hl=en].  * Pick up a copy of Slaying New York: Stories of Powerful Women Leaving Their Mark [https://www.amazon.com/Slaying-New-York-Stories-Powerful/dp/195848170X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BYOE9DHYA2AH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.25duM7-RCr0jZ9NCWc120A.oZIVBkKHaxLJ3_s5Q_UcXh9MMg5GpKsXQgZjapVVgdo&dib_tag=se&keywords=slaying+new+york%3A+stories+of+poweful+women+leaving+their+mark&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1769728165&sprefix=slaying+new+york+stories+of+poweful+women+leaving+their+mar%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-1] to read Allison’s chapter.  * This dish is best paired with a dry red wine – my pick was a Chianti Classico from Castello la Leccia [https://www.castellolaleccia.com/en/].  * Learn about Brené Brown’s FFTs [https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-ffts/] and give yourself permission to try something new.