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On the Part 2 of our interview with Tullian Tchividjian and his wife, Stacie: What are the boundaries pastors and churches can set for themselves to avoid adultery? What do pastors and people in ministry do with secret sin? What's your view on church discipline? What would you tell your young self just starting in ministry? This episode is dedicated to Billy Graham. RIP. Thank you to our sponsor, Marriage Supply. www.marriagesupply.com Email us at hello@freesexpod.com

On this episode, we speak with Tullian Tchividjian and his new wife, Stacie. In 2015, after news of infidelity hit the media, Tullian went dark on the internet. In this interview, we discuss: what happened during that "forced sabbatical", walking through his own form of deconstruction, going through an identity crisis, what he realized about friends and love, and the grace he experienced from his wife, kids and a couple close friends. Once a celebrity pastor, he now considers himself an "outcast empathizing with outcasts". Make sure to tune in next week for Part 2. Find him at www.tullian.net Write Candice and Katie at hello@freesexpod.com or visit the website www.freesexpod.com