Magical Urbanism: Thresholds, Hybridity, and the Transformative Power of "Us and Them" in Woolf, Lispector, and Lahiri – Interview with Tetyana Kasima (University of Tartu)
Tetyana Kasima (University of Tartu) in conversation with Sinan Barış Yaşar (HGGS)
- How do literature and urban spaces shape one another?
- What are “heterotopic moments of being,” and how can they help us understand city life?
- How do literary texts reimagine questions of identity, visibility, and coexistence in urban environments?
As human beings, we are all embedded in time and space, but how does the space we inhabit shape our perspectives and experiences? In this episode, we explore this question through the lens of literary urban studies together with Tetyana Kasima from the University of Tartu, who was also one of the presenters at the HGGS Summer Forum 2025, “Us and Them.”
Drawing on her research into Clarice Lispector’s The Besieged City, Virginia Woolf’s Solid Objects, and the works of Jhumpa Lahiri, Tetyana Kasima introduces the concept of “magical urbanism” and examines how literature reflects and reimagines urban life. Combining Michel Foucault’s notion of “heterotopias” with Virginia Woolf’s idea of “moments of being,” she develops the interdisciplinary framework of “heterotopic moments of being” to investigate the relationship between urban environments and human experience in literary texts.
Throughout the conversation, we discuss how cities are shaped by contradictions, hybridity, and coexistence, and how literature allows us to pause and reflect on the spaces we inhabit in everyday life. The episode further explores questions of visibility and anonymity in the city, the role of urban porosity, and the ways in which diverse identities and cultures merge within shared urban environments. In addition, Tetyana Kasima reflects on the methodological challenges of combining literary analysis with other artistic mediums, such as painting, through her discussion of Giorgio de Chirico’s artwork and its connection to Clarice Lispector’s fiction.
The discussion also touches upon the emotional and experiential dimensions of city life, examining how walking, memory, architecture, and storytelling contribute to our understanding of urban spaces. From Vienna and Paris to fictional cityscapes in literature, the episode highlights how cities can become spaces of imagination, transformation, and interdisciplinary reflection.
Join us in this episode as we explore how literature reshapes our understanding of the cities we live in and reveals the hidden layers of urban experience!
Timeline
(00:00) Intro
(00:24) Introducing Tetyana Kasima and Her Academic Background
(01:48) Literary Urban Studies and the Motivation Behind the Research
(03:50) Heterotopic Moments of Being: Foucault and Virginia Woolf
(06:41) Moments of Being and Non-Being in Literary Urbanism
(08:26) What Is a City? Perspective and Urban Experience
(10:53) Magical Urbanism, Contradictions, and “Us and Them”
(15:08) Visibility and Anonymity in a City
(16:54) Combining Literature and Visual Art in Research
(20:23) Personal Reflection: Magical Cities and Urban Experiences
(21:45) Experiencing Cities Through the Eyes of a Researcher
(23:44) Outro
Keywords
Literary Urban Studies, Magical Urbanism, Urban Studies, Comparative Literature, Michel Foucault, Heterotopia, Heterotopic Moments of Being, Virginia Woolf, Clarice Lispector, Jhumpa Lahiri, Giorgio de Chirico, Urban Porosity, City Life, Urban Experience, Literature and Space, Interdisciplinary Research, Cultural Studies, Identity Politics, Hybrid Cultures, Visibility and Anonymity, Walking in the City, Flâneur, Literary Theory, Philosophy and Literature, Urban Culture, Interdisciplinary Discussions, Interviews with Scholars, Academic Podcast, Scientific Podcast, HGGS, Heidelberg University, University of Tartu
Note: This episode is a republished and revised version of one of our previous episodes, with adjustments made to enhance the sound quality and improve the overall flow of the conversation. Thank you very much for your understanding and continued support.