Living Wholehearted Podcast With Jeff and Terra

Stop Performing for God // Hosanna Wong

In this episode of Living Wholehearted, we sit down with Hosanna Wong to talk about what it means to uncomplicate our faith and rediscover the real Jesus beneath performance, pressure, and unrealistic expectations. From growing up in an outdoor church on the streets of San Francisco to wrestling with church hurt and ultimately falling back in love with the Bride of Christ, Hosanna shares how God meets us personally in our unique stories, seasons, and struggles. Together, we explore the roadblocks that keep many of us from connecting with God—busyness, distraction, shame, grief, silence, and expectations—and how Jesus invites us into wholeness instead of exhaustion. This episode is a refreshing call for leaders, parents, and everyday believers to stop striving, stay connected to the true Vine, and embrace the freedom of simply loving God and loving people well. KEY TAKEAWAYS * Your relationship with God does not have to look like anyone else’s to be real and flourishing. * Many believers are carrying unrealistic expectations that God never placed on them. * Church hurt often comes from misrepresenting Jesus, but healing begins when we encounter His true character. * Busyness and burnout are not badges of honor; rest and pruning are essential to lasting fruitfulness. * God wants to grow good fruit in our lives, not just impressive or visible fruit. * Spiritual structures and rhythms are helpful, but they should never replace intimacy with Jesus Himself. * Wholeness in Christ means being honest about where we are and aligning our mind, body, heart, and soul toward a God-honoring direction. Website: www.hosannawong.com Facebook: @officialhosannawong [https://www.facebook.com/officialhosannawong] Youtube: @hosannawong [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCZaE0vSMGzVRjcBrDWLlA] Instagram: @hosanna.wong [http://instagram.com/hosanna.wong] ======================================================== We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/] and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com [https://mycourageousgirls.com/].   Until next time, be the leader you would follow!   Grateful for you, Jeff & Terra   To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:   INSTAGRAM @TerraMattson [https://www.instagram.com/terramattson/] @Living_Wholehearted [https://www.instagram.com/living_wholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.instagram.com/mycourageousgirls/]   FACEBOOK @WeAreLivingWholehearted [https://www.facebook.com/WeAreLivingWholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.facebook.com/mycourageousgirls/]   WEBSITES LivingWholehearted.com [http://livingwholehearted.com/] TerraMattson.com  [http://terramattson.com/] MyCourageousGirls.com [http://mycourageousgirls.com/]   RESOURCES Shrinking the Integrity Gap  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/e-courses] Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Dear Mattsons  [https://www.christianparenting.org/dearmattsons/] Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters [http://cpguides.org/]

The Church Isn’t Perfect, But Jesus Still Is // Natalie Runion

In this heartfelt episode, we sit down with Natalie Runion, author, pastor, and founder of Raised to Stay, to talk about the real and often painful journey of healing from church hurt while staying rooted in Jesus. Together, we unpack what it means to deconstruct without destroying, to discern when it’s time to leave a toxic system, and to rebuild faith and community with integrity. We explore how leaders can slow down, lead with humility, and create safe spaces where grace and truth can coexist. Whether you’re a pastor, a church member, or someone who’s walked away for a season, this conversation offers hope, honesty, and a way forward. KEY TAKEAWAYS 1. Abiding over performing: Staying isn’t about remaining in a specific church—it’s about remaining in Christ, even through disillusionment. 2. Healthy leaders go slow: True character is formed through time, mentorship, and accountability—not through platform or performance. 3. Deconstruction can lead to rebuilding: When guided by the Spirit, untangling from religious culture can bring us closer to the heart of Jesus. 4. Recognize toxicity vs. humanity: It’s wise—and sometimes holy—to walk away from spiritually abusive or narcissistic leadership. 5. Churches need trauma-informed care: Pastors can’t carry every burden; partnering with trained counselors helps the whole Body heal. 6. Pastors’ kids need freedom and identity: Ministry starts at home; children aren’t sidekicks, they’re uniquely called by God too. 7. God is patient with our process: Healing from church hurt takes time, and Jesus remains faithful through every season. Website: natalierunion.com [https://natalierunion.com/] Instagram: @raisedtostay [https://www.instagram.com/raisedtostay/] Book: Raised to Stay [https://a.co/d/eqwO5hi] ======================================================== We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/] and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com [https://mycourageousgirls.com/].   Until next time, be the leader you would follow!   Grateful for you, Jeff & Terra   To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:   INSTAGRAM @TerraMattson [https://www.instagram.com/terramattson/] @Living_Wholehearted [https://www.instagram.com/living_wholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.instagram.com/mycourageousgirls/]   FACEBOOK @WeAreLivingWholehearted [https://www.facebook.com/WeAreLivingWholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.facebook.com/mycourageousgirls/]   WEBSITES LivingWholehearted.com [http://livingwholehearted.com/] TerraMattson.com  [http://terramattson.com/] MyCourageousGirls.com [http://mycourageousgirls.com/]   RESOURCES Shrinking the Integrity Gap  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/e-courses] Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Dear Mattsons  [https://www.christianparenting.org/dearmattsons/] Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters [http://cpguides.org/]

25 Years, Countless Lessons: Building a Grace-Filled Marriage

In this episode, we share 25 years of marriage—its joys, challenges, and the lessons God has taught us along the way. From navigating parenthood to learning the power of grace, communication, and understanding each other’s wiring, we dive into what it takes to build a marriage that thrives. We hope our experiences inspire you to grow closer to God, your spouse, and those you love most. KEY TAKEAWAYS: 1. Faith as a foundation: Prioritizing our relationship with God strengthens our marriage and guides our interactions with each other. 2. The power of recalibration: Healthy marriages require ongoing renegotiation and adaptability through life’s seasons and stressors. 3. Value of external support: Mentors, counselors, and community provide essential guidance and accountability. 4. Grace and patience matter: Extending grace, forgiving mistakes, and celebrating small acts of love cultivate lasting connection. 5. Know each other’s wiring: Understanding personality differences improves communication, repair, and mutual understanding. 6. Building trust and safety: Creating a safe, supportive space allows vulnerability and strengthens relational bonds. 7. Focus on the positives: Appreciating the “doughnut” rather than fixating on the “hole” nurtures gratitude and joy in marriage. ======================================================== We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/] and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com [https://mycourageousgirls.com/].   Until next time, be the leader you would follow!   Grateful for you, Jeff & Terra   To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:   INSTAGRAM @TerraMattson [https://www.instagram.com/terramattson/] @Living_Wholehearted [https://www.instagram.com/living_wholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.instagram.com/mycourageousgirls/]   FACEBOOK @WeAreLivingWholehearted [https://www.facebook.com/WeAreLivingWholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.facebook.com/mycourageousgirls/]   WEBSITES LivingWholehearted.com [http://livingwholehearted.com/] TerraMattson.com  [http://terramattson.com/] MyCourageousGirls.com [http://mycourageousgirls.com/]   RESOURCES Shrinking the Integrity Gap  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/e-courses] Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Dear Mattsons  [https://www.christianparenting.org/dearmattsons/] Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters [http://cpguides.org/]

Why Emotions Matter // Jon and Tristen Collins

In this episode of Living Wholehearted, we sit down with Jon and Tristen Collins to explore why emotional health is not a one-time achievement, but a lifelong, grace-filled process. Together, we talk about how emotions shape our faith, our marriages, and the way we lead—especially when we’ve been taught to suppress or spiritualize them away. Drawing from their book Why Emotions Matter, Jon and Tristen invite us to rethink the relationship between emotional maturity and spiritual formation. We discuss the church’s complicated history with emotions, how our bodies communicate what’s happening beneath the surface, and why knowing we are already loved by God frees us to engage the messy work of growth. This conversation is honest, practical, and deeply hopeful—for leaders, couples, and anyone longing to live more wholeheartedly. KEY TAKEAWAYS 1. Emotional health is an ongoing process, not a spiritual finish line 2. God’s love is not earned through emotional or spiritual maturity 3. Emotions act as signals, revealing deeper needs, values, and limits 4. Suppressing emotions often creates disconnection in marriage and leadership 5. Spiritual maturity cannot exist without emotional maturity 6. Our bodies play a vital role in how emotions surface and heal 7. Grace creates the safety needed for emotional growth ======================================================== We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/] and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com [https://mycourageousgirls.com/].   Until next time, be the leader you would follow!   Grateful for you, Jeff & Terra   To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:   INSTAGRAM @TerraMattson [https://www.instagram.com/terramattson/] @Living_Wholehearted [https://www.instagram.com/living_wholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.instagram.com/mycourageousgirls/]   FACEBOOK @WeAreLivingWholehearted [https://www.facebook.com/WeAreLivingWholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.facebook.com/mycourageousgirls/]   WEBSITES LivingWholehearted.com [http://livingwholehearted.com/] TerraMattson.com  [http://terramattson.com/] MyCourageousGirls.com [http://mycourageousgirls.com/]   RESOURCES Shrinking the Integrity Gap  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/e-courses] Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Dear Mattsons  [https://www.christianparenting.org/dearmattsons/] Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters [http://cpguides.org/]

Busy Is Not Faithful

In this episode, we get practical and deeply personal about time—how we steward it, protect it, and live it in alignment with what matters most. We share how time blocking, concentric circles, and intentional rhythms of rest have shaped our marriage, parenting, leadership, and faith. Rather than letting life hijack our calendars, we invite you into a way of living where priorities drive decisions, margin creates freedom, and our kids learn—by watching us—that we are human beings, not just human doers. This conversation is about integrity, peace, and choosing presence in a busy, performance-driven world. Key Takeaways 1. Intentionality with time creates freedom, not rigidity—especially in marriage and family life. 2. Concentric circles bring clarity by helping us say yes or no based on how decisions impact our inner priorities. 3. Rest, play, and margin must be scheduled if we want them to actually happen. 4. Our calendars preach—kids learn more from what we model than what we say. 5. Different wiring requires different rhythms, even within the same marriage or family. 6. Performance-based living (and faith) leads to burnout, while relational rhythms lead to peace. 7. You likely have more authority over your time than you think—and reclaiming it is an integrity issue. ======================================================== We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/] and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com [https://mycourageousgirls.com/].   Until next time, be the leader you would follow!   Grateful for you, Jeff & Terra   To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:   INSTAGRAM @TerraMattson [https://www.instagram.com/terramattson/] @Living_Wholehearted [https://www.instagram.com/living_wholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.instagram.com/mycourageousgirls/]   FACEBOOK @WeAreLivingWholehearted [https://www.facebook.com/WeAreLivingWholehearted/] @MyCourageousGirls [https://www.facebook.com/mycourageousgirls/]   WEBSITES LivingWholehearted.com [http://livingwholehearted.com/] TerraMattson.com  [http://terramattson.com/] MyCourageousGirls.com [http://mycourageousgirls.com/]   RESOURCES Shrinking the Integrity Gap  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course  [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/e-courses] Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace [https://www.livingwholehearted.com/store/books] Dear Mattsons  [https://www.christianparenting.org/dearmattsons/] Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters [http://cpguides.org/]