Love & Light Leadership Podcast

S02: E13 | NO: Living Like Jesus in the Power of No

What does it look like to say no with clarity, compassion, and Christlike integrity? In this episode of Love & Light Leadership with Dr. Phenessa, we explore the power of no as a spiritual discipline, a leadership skill, and an act of alignment. Drawing from Scripture, leadership insight, and real-life reflection, this episode helps you release guilt, protect your calling, and honor the yeses that truly matter. You’ll hear: * Why saying no can be an expression of obedience * How Jesus modeled boundaries without apology * Why your no protects your peace, purpose, and capacity * Practical scripts for saying no with grace and clarity * A grounding reminder that not every good thing is your assignment If you’ve been overextending, people-pleasing, or struggling to protect your energy, this episode is for you. Take what you need. Say the no. Live like Jesus in the power of it. Scripture References (New International Version) Matthew 5:37 (NIV) Luke 4:42–43 (NIV) 2 Corinthians 1:17 (NIV) Titus 2:12 (NIV) Ecclesiastes 3:1 (NIV) Episode References American Psychological Association. (n.d.). Boundary. In APA dictionary of psychology. https://dictionary.apa.org/boundary [https://dictionary.apa.org/boundary] Cloud, H., & Townsend, J. (1992). Boundaries: When to say yes, how to say no to take control of your life. Zondervan. Cloud, H. (2013). Boundaries for leaders: Results, relationships, and being ridiculously in charge. HarperBusiness. Collins, J. (2001). Good to great: Why some companies make the leap... and others don't. HarperBusiness. Newman, S. (2005). The book of no: 365 ways to say it and mean it—and stop people-pleasing forever. McGraw-Hill. Free Tools to Go Deeper * Bible Gateway — scripture lookup and reading: https://www.biblegateway.com. [https://www.biblegateway.com/] * Bible Hub — scripture tools and commentaries: https://www.biblehub.com. [https://www.biblehub.com/] * Blue Letter Bible — study tools and interlinear resources: https://www.blueletterbible.org. [https://www.blueletterbible.org/] * Self-compassion exercises — https://self-compassion.org. [https://self-compassion.org/] * Leadership capacity audit — available through the Center for Creative Leadership [https://www.ccl.org/webinars/building-leadership-capacity/] and similar leadership development resources. * Boundary-setting worksheet — search for printable workbook-style boundary tools through trusted mental health or coaching resources. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support [https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss].

S02: E12 | BOUNDARIES: Releasing Who You Were to Protect Who You’re Becoming

What if the hardest boundary to set is not with another person, but with the version of yourself you used to be? In Episode 12 of the Take What You Need journey, Dr. Phenessa explores boundaries as psychological, spiritual, and leadership stewardship. Drawing from the APA definition of boundary, Proverbs 4:23 in The Passion Translation, Galatians 6:2–5, Luke 5:15–16, and research on identity transition and grief, this episode offers a grounded and compassionate framework for honoring every version of yourself while protecting the life you are now being called to live. You’ll discover: * Why boundaries are not walls, but sacred thresholds. * How Jesus modeled rest, withdrawal, and sustainable leadership. * Why grief is part of growing out of an old identity. * How to set boundaries with your former self without shame. * One practical boundary practice to honor this season of becoming. This episode includes original poetic reflection, breathwork, a vulnerable grace-and-grit story, a leadership lens on transition, and a prayer for sustainable becoming. Perfect for Christian leaders in transition, caregivers, executives, nonprofit leaders, and anyone learning that different does not mean diminished. Listen when you need: * Permission to change. * Tools to grieve old capacity. * Language for boundaries that feel sacred, not selfish. * A reminder that change is not failure…it is faithfulness. Part of: 100-day Take What You Need: Grace & Grit to Be journey. 📚 Accessible Resources Scripture Tools (Free) Bible Gateway. (n.d.). Bible Gateway. https://www.biblegateway.com Bible Hub. (n.d.). Bible Hub. https://www.biblehub.com Blue Letter Bible. (n.d.). Blue Letter Bible. https://www.blueletterbible.org Episode References American Psychological Association. (n.d.). Boundary. In APA dictionary of psychology. https://dictionary.apa.org/boundary Bridges, W. (2004). Transitions: Making sense of life’s changes (2nd ed.). Da Capo Press. Cloud, H., & Townsend, J. (1992). Boundaries: When to say yes, how to say no to take control of your life. Zondervan. Hemphill, P. (2024). What it takes to heal: How transforming ourselves can change the world. Penguin Press. Ibarra, H. (2003). Working identity: Unconventional strategies for reinventing your career. Harvard Business Review Press. Mellody, P., Miller, A. W., & Miller, J. K. (2003). Facing codependence: What it is, where it comes from, how it sabotages our lives. HarperOne. O’Connor, M.-F. (2022). The grieving brain: The surprising science of how we learn from love and loss. HarperOne. Free Tools to Go Deeper 🔹 Self-Compassion exercises — self-compassion.org (free) 🔹 Identity Transition Reflection Journal — adapt from Working Identity prompts 🔹 Leadership Capacity Audit — ccl.org (free) 🔹 Boundary-Setting Worksheet — ask your librarian for workbook-style resources Academic articles are often available through your public library via JSTOR, EBSCOhost, or PsycINFO — ask your librarian. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support [https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss].

S02: E11 | VOICE: Breaking the Culture of Silence

Are you leading—or are you performing silence while your most important contributions go unspoken? In Week 11 of the Take What You Need journey, Dr. Phenessa opens Arc 2: Reclamation with the word that anchors everything this arc will recover: Voice. Because you cannot reclaim what you’ve never learned to use. Drawing from Proverbs 31:8–9 in The Voice, Psalm 22:24 in The Passion Translation, biblical examples of Deborah and Moses, Amy Edmondson’s research on psychological safety, and organizational scholarship on silence culture and advocacy leadership, this episode offers both theological grounding and organizational science on why your voice is not a luxury—it’s a leadership responsibility. You’ll discover: •✨ Why voice is the first thing leaders sacrifice and the last thing they reclaim •🧠 How organizational silence costs teams their best thinking—and costs leaders their health •📊 The research connecting psychological safety to innovation, retention, and trust •💪 Four practical strategies for recovering your voice in professional environments •🎯 Three concrete steps to break the culture of silence this week •🕊️ Permission to say the thing you’ve been editing out of every meeting, every email, every conversation This episode includes original poetic reflection, extended breathwork (4-4-6 pattern), a Grace + Grit moment on the cost of staying quiet, research-based practices for leaders navigating hierarchical silence, and an invitation into the fullness of Arc 2: Reclamation—because the work of taking back what’s yours begins with your voice. Perfect for: Library leaders, educators, nonprofit directors, ministry leaders, executive coaches, organizational developers, women in leadership, mission-driven professionals, anyone who speaks up for others but not themselves, leaders who feel unheard or unseen, anyone who has edited themselves so many times they’ve forgotten what they really think, and anyone sitting on ideas, concerns, or convictions that deserve a room. Listen when you need: Permission to say it out loud | Tools to navigate the internal block before the external one | Courage to speak before you feel ready | A reminder that silence is never neutral | Evidence that your voice is already formed—it’s just waiting for you to stop suppressing it | A framework for advocacy that begins internally before it moves organizationally | The first step into your season of reclamation. This episode is an invitation to every leader who has swallowed the sentence that needed to be said. 📚 Accessible Resources Scripture Tools (Free) Bible Gateway. (n.d.). Free Bible reading and study tools. https://www.biblegateway.com/ [https://www.biblegateway.com/] Bible Hub. (n.d.). Interlinear and lexicon tools. https://biblehub.com/ [https://biblehub.com/] Blue Letter Bible. (n.d.). Lexicon and word study resources. https://www.blueletterbible.org/ [https://www.blueletterbible.org/]   Episode References Lorde, A. (1984). Sister outsider: Essays and speeches. Crossing Press. (Available at most public libraries)  Edmondson, A. C. (2018). The fearless organization. Wiley. (TED Talk available free at ted.com)  Morrison & Milliken (2000). Organizational silence. Academy of Management Review. (Ask your library for free database access)  Schön, D. A. (1983). The reflective practitioner. Basic Books. (Widely available) Free Tools to Go Deeper 🔹 VIA Character Strengths Survey — viacharacter.org [https://www.viacharacter.org/] (free) 🔹 Brené Brown's Living Into Our Values worksheet — brenebrown.com [https://brenebrown.com/resources/living-into-our-values/] (free) 🔹 Psychological Safety Self-Assessment — ccl.org [https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/psychological-safety-training/] (free) Academic articles available through your public library via JSTOR, EBSCOhost, or PsycINFO — Ask-A-Librarian [https://askalibrarian.org/]. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support [https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss].

S02: E10 | ALIGNMENT: Living in Integrity, Leading in Wholeness

Are you leading from wholeness—or managing a collection of competing versions of yourself? In Week 10 of the Take What You Need journey, Dr. Phenessa completes Arc 1: Foundation with the integrating word that brings together everything learned over the past ten weeks: Alignment. In a deeply personal episode, she shares the story of witnessing someone on her team discover alignment—moving from uncertainty to clarity, from disconnection to purpose—and living it unapologetically until the very end. Drawing from Romans 12:1-2 in The Message, Psalm 86:11 in The Passion Translation, biblical examples of Daniel and Esther, Brené Brown's research on integrity, and organizational scholarship on authentic leadership, this episode offers both theological grounding and organizational science on why alignment matters and how to build it. You'll discover: ✨ Why alignment is not perfection—it's coherence that creates sustainable leadership 🧠 How cognitive dissonance drains leaders operating from misalignment 📊 The research connecting authentic leadership with organizational trust and effectiveness 💫 A powerful story of witnessing someone's transformative journey to alignment 💪 Four practical strategies for cultivating alignment in professional environments 🎯 Three concrete steps to move toward greater integrity this week 🕊️ Permission to discover your alignment instead of performing it—and proof that it's possible This episode includes original poetic reflection, extended breathwork (4-4-6 pattern), a profound Grace + Grit moment honoring a life well-lived, personal testimony about loss and legacy, research-based practices, and a moving closing as we complete the Foundation Arc and prepare for Arc 2: Reclamation. Perfect for: Library leaders, educators, nonprofit directors, ministry leaders, executive coaches, organizational developers, women in leadership, mission-driven professionals, anyone navigating uncertainty about their direction, anyone wondering if what they're doing matters, leaders who help others discover their value, and anyone who needs to witness what wholeness looks like when it's truly lived. Listen when you need: Permission to not have it all together from the beginning | Tools to discover your value and live unapologetically from it | Courage to become more yourself, not less | A reminder that alignment can be discovered through strategic partnership | Hope that uncertainty can transform into clarity and joy | Evidence that anxious and aligned can coexist | A tribute to those who show us what wholeness looks like | Completion of your leadership foundation before beginning reclamation work. This episode is a love letter to anyone discovering their alignment and a memorial to those who lived it fully. 📚 ACCESSIBLE REFERENCES Scripture Tools  Bible Gateway. (n.d.). Free Bible reading and study tools. https://www.biblegateway.com/ Bible Hub. (n.d.). Interlinear and lexicon tools. https://biblehub.com/ Blue Letter Bible. (n.d.). Lexicon and word study resources. https://www.blueletterbible.org/ Scripture References Romans 12:1-2 (The Message) - "So here's what I want you to do, God helping you: Take your everyday, ordinary life—your sleeping, eating, going-to-work, and walking-around life—and place it before God as an offering. Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Don't become so well-adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking. Instead, fix your attention on God. You'll be changed from the inside out." Psalm 86:11 (The Passion Translation) - "Tune my heart to sing your praise and give me an undivided heart to honor and worship your name." Biblical Examples - Daniel - Daniel 1:8-21, 6:1-28 (Integrity in secular workplace, refusing to compartmentalize faith) - Esther - Esther 4:12-16 (Acting from conviction under pressure, courage from inner alignment) Leadership Quotes Brené Brown - "Integrity is choosing courage over comfort; it's choosing what's right over what's fun, fast, or easy; and it's practicing your values, not just professing them." - Source: Dare to Lead: Brave Work. Tough Conversations. Whole Hearts. (2018) - Context: Research on vulnerability, courage, and values-based leadership - Accessible at: brenebrown.com (leadership resources) Dr. Phenessa Gray - "Misalignment doesn't announce itself with sirens. It accumulates quietly in the space between our convictions and our calendar, our priorities and our practices, our public values and our private compromises." - Source: Personal leadership insight developed through I-O Psychology practice - Context: Episode 10, Love & Light Leadership podcast Authentic Leadership & Alignment Research Avolio, B. J., & Gardner, W. L. (2005). Authentic leadership development: Getting to the root of positive forms of leadership. The Leadership Quarterly, 16(3), 315–338. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.leaqua.2005.03.001 - Focus: Authentic leadership theory, values-behavior congruence, self-awareness as foundation - Key Finding: Leaders who demonstrate alignment between espoused values and enacted behaviors generate higher trust and organizational commitment - Key Concept: Authentic leadership consists of self-awareness, relational transparency, balanced processing, and internalized moral perspective - Accessible Summary: Center for Creative Leadership resources at http://www.ccl.org Brown, B. (2018). Dare to lead: Brave work. Tough conversations. Whole hearts. Random House. - Focus: Integrity as practice, vulnerability in leadership, values clarification and operationalization - Key Concept: "Practicing your values, not just professing them"—alignment as daily, intentional choice - Key Tool: "Living Into Our Values" worksheet for identifying gaps between stated and lived values - Accessible Resources: Free downloads and leadership tools at brenebrown.com Organizational Behavior & Cognitive Dissonance Research Kegan, R., & Lahey, L. L. (2009). Immunity to change: How to overcome it and unlock potential in yourself and your organization. Harvard Business Press. - Focus: Hidden commitments, competing commitments, resistance to alignment - Key Concept: Why knowing what to do doesn't mean we'll do it—the psychological immune system that protects us from change - Application: Understanding why alignment is difficult and how to overcome internal barriers - Accessible Summary: Harvard Business Review article "The Real Reason People Won't Change" (2001) Festinger, L. (1957). A theory of cognitive dissonance. Stanford University Press. - Focus: The psychological discomfort of holding contradictory beliefs, values, or behaviors - Key Concept: When behavior conflicts with values, people either change behavior or rationalize the gap—misalignment creates measurable stress - Application: Understanding the internal cost of living out of alignment - Accessible Summary: Psychology textbooks; Encyclopedia Britannica entry on cognitive dissonance Cameron, K. S., & Caza, A. (2004). Contributions to the discipline of positive organizational scholarship. American Behavioral Scientist, 47(6), 731–739. https://doi.org/10.1177/0002764203260207 - Focus: Values-behavior alignment as protective factor for leader wellbeing - Key Finding: Leaders operating outside core values experience higher rates of burnout, compassion fatigue, and ethical erosion - Key Concept: Alignment serves as both performance enhancer and sustainability protector - Accessible Resource: Positive Organizational Scholarship at University of Michigan (pos.umich.edu) Strategic Planning & Purpose Discovery Research Sinek, S. (2009). Start with why: How great leaders inspire everyone to take action. Portfolio. - Focus: Leading from purpose, alignment between why/how/what, discovering core motivation - Key Concept: People don't buy what you do; they buy why you do it—alignment around purpose drives engagement - Application: Framework for discovering personal and organizational purpose that creates alignment - Accessible Summary: TED Talk "Start with Why" available free at ted.com Duckworth, A. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. Scribner. - Focus: Sustained effort toward long-term goals, alignment between passion and purpose - Key Concept: Grit requires alignment between what you care about and what you do - Application: How discovering purpose and aligning actions creates sustainable effort - Accessible Resources: Character Lab resources at characterlab.org Values Clarification & Integrity Research Schwartz, S. H. (1992). Universals in the content and structure of values: Theoretical advances and empirical tests in 20 countries. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 25, 1–65. - Focus: Universal human values framework, values as guiding principles - Key Concept: Values guide behavior when they are consciously held and prioritized - Application: Framework for identifying core values that can guide alignment work - Accessible Tool: Values in Action (VIA) Character Strengths sur Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support [https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss].

Season 02: E09 | AWARENESS: The Inner Compass Leaders Forget to Consult

Are you leading with intention—or just pushing through until your body, calendar, or spirit forces you to stop?In Week 9 of the Take What You Need journey, Dr. Phenessa returns to the mic after an unexpected month of silence brought on by a series of health challenges that took her voice and forced a full pause. In this deeply honest, faith-rooted episode, she explores awareness as an embodied leadership practice—one that lives in your calendar, your nervous system, and your conversations, not just in your head.Drawing from Psalm 46:10, Psalm 90:12, Ephesians 5:15–16, and research on reflective practice and executive functioning, this episode walks you through four dimensions of sacred awareness: God, self, others, and time. You’ll hear how stillness can recalibrate your priorities, why your body is often your earliest and truest warning system, and how awareness protects both your leadership and your humanity. You’ll discover: * How a forced season of rest became “lived curriculum” in leadership awareness * The difference between strategic pause, fearful avoidance, and faithful pursuit * Practical reflection prompts and a simple breath practice to return to presence * Three everyday disciplines to build sustainable, reflective leadership habits This episode includes a brief poetic reflection, a Grace + Grit moment, guided breathwork, and practical invitations you can start using this week. It’s especially for leaders who are tired of leading on autopilot and ready to honor both their calling and their capacity. Listen when you need: * Permission to pause without guilt * Language to name what your body has been trying to say * Spirit-led guidance on timing, rest, and sustainable leadership * A reminder that protecting your humanity is part of your leadership, not a distraction from it. 📚 References & Tools Scripture Tools  * Bible Gateway. (n.d.). Free Bible reading and study tools. https://www.biblegateway.com/ [https://www.biblegateway.com/] * Bible Hub. (n.d.). Interlinear and lexicon tools. https://biblehub.com/ [https://biblehub.com/] * Blue Letter Bible. (n.d.).Lexicon and word study resources. https://www.blueletterbible.org/ [https://www.blueletterbible.org/] Scripture References * Psalm 46:10 (The Message) - "Step out of the traffic! Take a long, loving look at me, your High God, above politics, above everything." * Psalm 90:12 (Amplified Bible, Classic Edition) - "So teach us to number our days, that we may cultivate and bring to You a heart of wisdom." * Hebrews 10:24 (Amplified Bible, Classic Edition) - "And let us consider and give attentive, continuous care to watching over one another, studying how we may stir up (stimulate and incite) to love and helpful deeds and noble activities." * Ephesians 5:15–16 (New Living Translation) - "So be careful how you live. Don't live like fools, but like those who are wise. Make the most of every opportunity in these days." 1. Greek Study: katanoeō (κατανοέω) - Strong's G2657, meaning "to perceive clearly, observe fully, understand with fixed attention". Accessible Resource: Blue Letter Bible (www.blueletterbible.org [http://www.blueletterbible.org]) 2. Greek Study: kairos (καιρός) - Strong's G2540, meaning "opportune time, right moment, divinely appointed season" (vs. chronos - chronological time). Accessible Resource: Bible Hub (www.biblehub.com [http://www.biblehub.com]) Organizational Development & Reflective Practice Research Schön, D. A. (1983). The reflective practitioner: How professionals think in action. Basic Books. * Focus: Reflective practice as foundation for professional excellence, knowing-in-action vs. reflection-in-action * Key Concept: Professionals develop expertise not just through technical knowledge but through reflective awareness of their practice * Accessible Summary: "Teaching Artistry as Reflective Practice" - Harvard Graduate School of Education articles (gse.harvard.edu) Church, A. H. (1997). Managerial self-awareness in high-performing individuals in organizations. Journal of Applied Psychology, 82(2), 281–292. https://doi.org/10.1037/0021-9010.82.2.281 [https://doi.org/10.1037/0021-9010.82.2.281] * Focus: Leadership self-awareness as predictor of managerial effectiveness * Key Finding: Self-aware leaders demonstrate superior performance across multiple organizational contexts * Accessible Summary: Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology (SIOP) resources at www.siop.org [http://www.siop.org] Brown, B. (2018). Dare to lead: Brave work. Tough conversations. Whole hearts. Random House. * Focus: Values clarification, vulnerability in leadership, operationalizing courage * Key Concept: Clear is kind—clarity in communication and self-awareness prevents organizational confusion * Accessible Resources: Free leadership resources at brenebrown.com Pink, D. H. (2009). Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us. Riverhead Books. * Focus: Intrinsic motivation, autonomy, mastery, and purpose in organizational settings * Key Concept: Understanding what genuinely motivates people (not just external rewards) requires awareness * Accessible Summary: TED Talk "The Puzzle of Motivation" available free at ted.com Neuroscience & Executive Functioning Research Walker, M. (2017). Why we sleep: Unlocking the power of sleep and dreams. Scribner. * Focus: Impact of sleep deprivation on cognitive functioning, decision-making, and emotional regulation * Key Finding: Chronic sleep loss impairs prefrontal cortex functioning and increases amygdala reactivity * Accessible Summary: "Sleep Is Your Superpower" TED Talk available at ted.com Sapolsky, R. M. (2004). Why zebras don't get ulcers (3rd ed.). Henry Holt and Company. * Focus: Stress physiology, chronic stress impact on brain and body * Key Concept: Chronic organizational stress reduces cognitive flexibility and executive functioning * Accessible Summary: Stanford lectures available on YouTube Tang, Y. Y., Hölzel, B. K., & Posner, M. I. (2015). The neuroscience of mindfulness meditation. Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 16(4), 213–225. https://doi.org/10.1038/nrn3916 [https://doi.org/10.1038/nrn3916] * Focus: How contemplative practices change brain structure and function * Key Finding: Stillness and reflective practice strengthen attention regulation and reduce anxiety-related brain activity * Accessible Resource: Greater Good Science Center, UC Berkeley - "The Science of Mindfulness" (greatergood.berkeley.edu) Frankl, V. E. (2006). Man's search for meaning. Beacon Press. (Original work published 1946) * Focus: Space between stimulus and response as location of human freedom and choice * Key Quote: "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response." * Accessible: Available at most libraries; frequently taught in leadership and psychology courses Social Awareness & Organizational Climate Research Davis, M. H. (1983). Measuring individual differences in empathy: Evidence for a multidimensional approach. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 44(1), 113–126. https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.44.1.113 [https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.44.1.113] * Focus: Perspective-taking as measurable leadership capacity * Key Concept: Empathy includes cognitive perspective-taking, not just emotional resonance Schneider, B., Ehrhart, M. G., & Macey, W. H. (2013). Organizational climate and culture. Annual Review of Psychology, 64, 361–388. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-psych-113011-143809 [https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-psych-113011-143809] * Focus: How organizational climate (shared perceptions) impacts performance and wellbeing * Key Finding: Leaders shape organizational climate through their awareness and responsiveness Edmondson, A. C. (2018). The fearless organization: Creating psychological safety in the workplace for learning, innovation, and growth. Wiley. * Focus: Psychological safety as foundation for organizational learning and innovation * Key Concept: Leaders with high awareness create environments where voice, feedback, and innovation flourish * Accessible Summary: Harvard Business Review articles and TED Talk available online Palmer, P. J. (2000). Let your life speak: Listening for the voice of vocation. Jossey-Bass. * Focus: Discernment, calling, listening to one's life and body for vocational wisdom * Key Concept: "Living the questions" rather than forcing premature answers * Accessible: Widely available; popular in ministry, education, and leadership development programs Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support [https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/love-light-leadership-podcast--6730707/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss].