17. Walking Between Worlds: A Doctors Journey Through Birth Death and Plant Medicine with Nathan Riley
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“It's the whole Dionysian Apollo dilemma… We don't value this sort of just oozing with, like, some sort of naturalist phenomenon that maybe came to you through a walk in the woods or standing under a waterfall and picking fresh fruit off of a tree or just trying to eat some flowers or berries from a bush. Like, ugh, who said that was okay to do?” says Nathan Riley, Western-trained OB-GYN, who joins Mental Health in a Modern World to share how a journey through plant medicine—guided in part by legendary shaman Hamilton Souther—upended his traditional medical training and transformed his understanding of birth, death, and our collective crisis of embodiment.
A trailblazer at the intersection of holistic health and psychedelic medicine, Nathan Riley recounts his leap from pharmaceutical and surgical protocols to Amazonian wisdom and deep ceremonial work with psilocybin and ayahuasca, where practical and mystical insights now inform everything from postpartum care to the existential crises surrounding parenthood. He delves into the humbling lessons learned as both practitioner and student; the surprising, intuitive healing that emerges from surrendering to these master “allies”; and why reclaiming sovereignty over our bodies may be the most revolutionary act in today’s world.
Tune in to his powerful conversation with Greg Schmaus for a candid exploration of how ancient plant teachers—and the simple act of being in our bodies—hold the keys to meaning in the modern human experience.
5 KEY TAKEAWAYS
Unlock transformative healing and deeper self-connection by embodying these insights from the conversation:
1. Develop a regular practice of intentional plant medicine or psychedelic ceremonies to foster personal growth, humility, and direct guidance from inner wisdom.
2. Set clear, authentic intentions when entering any ceremony or healing space—ask the plants or your own subconscious specific questions and state your desired focus for maximum clarity and empowerment.
3. Make yourself truly available for spirit, intuition, and deeper insight by cultivating stillness, subtracting distractions, and spending time in nature or silent space.
4. Reconnect with your body’s natural intelligence by tuning into somatic signals, emotional releases, and intuitive guidance, especially during moments of challenge or transition such as birth, parenting, or grief.
5. Trust and honor your unique path—embrace remembering who you are at your core, rather than constantly seeking external validation, gadgets, or additions to fill internal gaps.
Take one of these steps today: set aside time for stillness, reflect on your true intentions, or simply listen to your body's wisdom. Transformation begins with one choice.
MEMORABLE QUOTES
> "I made an agreement with myself that every two to three weeks I would do a deep dive with psilocybin, nourish my own mushrooms, set up an altar, and have a conversation with the mushrooms to set intentions. Initially, it was very hard—months of just going through my own stuff. But at some point, I started the ceremony by talking to the mushrooms out loud and saying, 'I want to see your playful side' or 'I want to know how you want me to comport myself to be able to offer this medicine in a safe environment for others.' And then they show you."
> "When you’re in the river, you’re not going to die—not with these medicines. There’s a part of you that might be left behind, but that’s stuff I didn’t need to carry as baggage anyway. There are strange allegories that come through, and it’s a full send—surrender, leaping into the waters and treading for a while, instead of grabbing onto a rock for dear life, just letting the current take me downstream."
> "What’s most important is that many Eastern mystics have seemed to be on board with this for centuries. Since the age of enlightenment, if it’s not measurable, it’s not important—that, of all things, is just not useful to me anymore. There’s nothing more than you in this moment. If you want the world or your life to get better, you have to be willing to just be."
CONNECT WITH NATHAN
Website - www.bornfreemethod.com [www.bornfreemethod.com]
Instagram - www.instagram.com/nathanrileyobgyn [www.instagram.com/nathanrileyobgyn]
RESOURCES MENTIONED
Abundance Archetype (program by Jason Picard) – https://jasonpicard.org/abundance-archetype/ [https://jasonpicard.org/abundance-archetype/]
Sanctuary (offerings and teachings by Hamilton Souther) – https://www.bluemorphointernational.com/sanctuary [https://www.bluemorphointernational.com/sanctuary]
CONNECT WITH GREG
Website - https://www.healing4d.com/ [https://www.healing4d.com/]
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/4d_healing/ [https://www.instagram.com/4d_healing/]
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@gregschmaus [https://www.youtube.com/@gregschmaus]
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-schmaus-22929589/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-schmaus-22929589/]
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