More Than Words with Guest Mike Sauter
In this week’s podcast, Fr John sits down with Mike, a longtime campus minister, parish leader, and now diocesan director of the Diocese of Rochester NY, whose story winds through backroads and retreat houses, late-night factory shifts and unexpected holy moments. Together, John and Mike explore what it means to live the Gospel not just as a message, but as a way of being. It’s a conversation about presence, permission, and the quiet courage to follow the Spirit (sometimes a little off-script!)
Recorded the day after Pentecost, the episode explores the call to live authentically in a world that is increasingly mediated by institutions, systems, and narratives that often obscure our deepest spiritual needs.
🔊 Quote Highlights
“The more you can learn to speak from your heart, the more universal it becomes.” — Mike
“We are most ourselves when we are most with others.” — Mike
“Jesus didn’t say ‘learn this content.’ He said, ‘follow me.’” — Mike
"The medium is the message in the form of Jesus Christ"
🌟 Topics Covered
* Mass Media as Formation: The influence of Marshall McLuhan (“the medium is the message”) and how mass media shapes not just what we learn, but how we live.
* Ivan Illich's critique of institutional religion: education, healthcare, and even the Church as systems that can alienate rather than liberate.
* Faith as Personal and Incarnational: Preaching and proclaiming the Gospel by telling our real stories—speaking from our own wounds and callings.
* Youth and Authenticity: What today’s high school and college students teach us about resisting systems that don’t serve the soul.
* The Divine Feminine and the Holy Spirit: Drawing from Pentecost and the Feast of Mary, Mother of the Church, the episode explores how nurturing others and being nurtured ourselves is central to Christian life.
* Preaching from Personal Experience: Referencing the CALLED initiative and Sunday to Sunday’s mission, Mike affirms the power of ordinary people sharing their extraordinary moments of grace.
* The Power of Community and Cohorts: Reflections on being part of the first CALLED cohort, and how lay people can become evangelists through community, vulnerability, and formation.
📚 Deeper Dive Resources & References
* Ivan Illich
* Deschooling Society
* Rivers North of the Future (interviewed by David Cayley)
* David Cayley's work on Illich [https://www.davidcayley.com]
* Marshall McLuhan: “The medium is the message” and “The medium is the massage”
* Wendell Berry: Used in Mike’s campus ministry writing courses
* William Blake: Referenced for his visionary theology and poetic influence
* Daniel Andreev: Russian mystic and author of The Rose of the World
* Rudolf Steiner & Owen Barfield: Philosophers/theologians discussed in relation to imagination and mystery
* Simone Weil, John Milbank, William Cavanaugh: Referenced for further theological engagement
* Jordan Peterson: Noted for contemporary cultural critique and appeal to youth searching for answers and faith, de facto apologist
* First Things: [https://firstthings.com/] Mike’s article on the Immaculate Conception featured there.
* Dioceses of Rochester, NY [https://www.dor.org/]
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