Therapeutic Astrology Podcast

#164 - Christina Rodenbeck: Lilith Untamed - Making the Case for Black Moon Lilith: The Astrological Lilith

"Somewhere inside you there is a wildness that yearns to be acknowledged and seen, honoured and cherished, brought into the light. That untamed sliver of self is in all of us". Welcome to an insightful and wide-ranging conversation with Christina Rodenbeck about her book "Lilith Untamed: A Guide to the Astrological Black Moon" (The Wessex Astrologer, 2026, the above quote is from the very beginning of the book). Christina has a long experience with tracking Black Moon Lilith (BML) she started from scratch and tested whether the assumptions about the Lilith archetype actually held water, rather than inheriting them. In this episode, she introduces us to some of the key themes of the book and she is totally great at it probably because of her on Lilith placement! Mythologically we can say that Lilith was a Hebrew she-devil/ Adam's first wife, formed from the same clay he was. She refused to lie beneath him during intercourse, arguing they were equals, spoke God's name, grew wings, and flew off to the desert and there accepted that a hundred of her children would die daily! What does this archetype have to do with us? According to Christina Rodenbeck A LOT. The book is her attempt to bring understanding of the astrological Lilith up to date and to make her as important a point in interpretation as, say, the Nodes of the Moon. TAP in with us as we speak about this important and rejected archetype. Some of the points in our conversation are around: -The way Lilith shows up archetypically, in her books Christina lists these 9 ways: Rebel / independent woman- Wild woman / innocent in the wilderness- Adulteress, seductress, sexual vampire / erotically liberated- Victim of abuse / avenger- Killer of infants / mother of millions- Independent woman / serial killer- Femme fatale / sexually fulfilled- The joker- Extraordinary or prolific talent -Examples of public figures as Lilith symbols (extra point there, she stresses that the untamed self of Lilith is gender-fluid !!) -Christinas own client cases plus her own lilith experience right on the day we were meeting! -The space between the true and mean Lilith as a kind of power corridor in the chart, that Christina labels the "Via Lamia" -What it is technically, because Black Moon Lilith is neither planet, asteroid, nor star, but a mathematical point. It is the Moon's apogee, the point in its elliptical orbit furthest from Earth. Kepler identified the point in the 17th century; the name Lilith was only attached in the 1930s. -How Lilth relates to initiations and love affairs -Light and shadow, what else are we -Loving your own Lilith -Tracking BML for example your Lilith Return comes every nine years -Why Christina looks forward to BML moving into capricorn Thank you for being with us!!! Here are some links for you to look at further: LINKS: youtube version: https://youtu.be/ZcZF24CTtz8 [https://youtu.be/ZcZF24CTtz8] the book: https://a.co/d/09KtIDFB [https://a.co/d/09KtIDFB] Christina Rodenbeck: https://oxfordastrologer.com/ [https://oxfordastrologer.com/] and My website: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/ [https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/] support me by listening to the podcast at https://podimo.com/s/m8a0anov [https://podimo.com/s/m8a0anov]

#163 - Jack Morrigan: I've Stared Into the Eyes of the Beast - Something Has to Break - We Could be Facing an Actual Apocalypse

"I've stared into the eyes of that beast, and it's shown me what it is. And I'm not looking away anymore. In some ways, that's shattering — but at the same time, it's a relief, because I don't have to pretend that beast isn't there anymore." Spirituel teacher Jack Morrigan shares how he feel unburdened of the need to resist or pretend that things are different than they are! In this interview we hear of Jack's awakening and the start of his profession as a dragon channeler. Jack was originally a junior researcher in psychiatry-related research at UK universities (including the Institute of Psychiatry in London) before a Kundalini awakening experience redirected him toward spirituality and channeling about a decade ago - something he was absolutely not into before!!! But what also happens in this interview is that Jack shares about a very current situation a breaking point he's living through right now. After being "kicked out" from a non-dual spirituality Facebook group he has become aware of something much deeper, that that humanity is facing genuine catastrophe. Listen and I think you will honestly love sinking into it with me, because Jack speaks in such an honest and inviting way or unhurried way, and his voice itself is mesmerizing, so I am incredible thankful for this episode that turned into a firsthand witness account from the underworld, the perception through which Scorpio sees. Another - or in face the same- reason this is a special episode, is that we are right on the full moon with all the shift of nodes into Leo and Aqurius and "The Four Degree Pattern" with Jupiter at 4° in Leo opposing Pluto at 4° in Aquarius and Neptune at 4° in Aries sextiling Uranus at 4° in Gemini - a pattern we expect to turn things around in a massive way, transpersonal planets being involved, also in eclipse season, lots are going on right now! Therefore it is not so strange that Jack is talking about shattering in this interview, where we could relate the theme to say he's in this raw, cracked-open place where even good intentions, his desire to save the world, are revealed to himself as another form of that same need for specialness and control. That's very Leo-South-Node, and the even he shares where a spiritual collective (Aquarius) revealing its shadow use of power (Pluto), because people in the group needed to be "the most awake person in the room" rather than actually awakening. Also just with Neptune in Aries being so activated now, this emphasis on dissolving the mask, the persona we can relate to Jack refusing to be "the dragon guy" all of which I think is part of his personal Neptune square eventually leading to a higher love - And so we could continue to relate and relate to the astrology of our times, but just in essence with the nodal shift what's genuine outweighs what's popular, and a new movement is now seeded, if not in fact rising! From the Plutonian/scorpio phase we outgrow the old psychic architecture first. Anyway thank you for listening LINKS https://www.jackmorrigan.com/ [https://www.jackmorrigan.com/] his youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@myrisingrose [https://www.youtube.com/@myrisingrose] Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/ [https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/] Youtube edition: https://youtu.be/XkNOxoXLSU4 [https://youtu.be/XkNOxoXLSU4]

#162 - John Michael Greer: The Magical Writings of W.B. Yeats - The Reality Behind Folk Belief & Poetry

Quote from the magical writings: "The dead living in their memories, are, I am persuaded, the source of all that we call instinct, and it is their love and their desire, all unknowing, that make us drive beyond our reason, or in defiance of our interest it may be; and it is the dream martens that, all unknowing, are master-masons to the living martens building about church windows their elaborate nests; and in their turn, the phantoms are stung to a keener delight from a concord between their luminous pure vehicle and our strong senses" John Michael Greer is back with us here on tap- this time to talk about his latest book, "The Magical Writings of W. B. Yeats: The Original "A Vision" and Other Essays on Occultism". This collection brings together Yeats' esoteric writings for the first time in one volume, opening a doorway into a body of work that many readers of Yeats have never read!!! We begin with the fact that Yeats' occult writings have long remained "an unfortunate omission" from the literature, before exploring some of the central ideas that run through the collection. John helps us understand the channelled concepts of the Mask, the Will, the Creative Mind and the Body of Fate plus the meaning of the Anti-Self, the constant mediumship and inspiration going on AND the influence of the dead!! We also talk about the striking parallels John sees between Irish and Japanese folk occultism. TAP in with therapeutic astrology podcast as we open to the cosmos an learn with such a brilliant writer and thinker, John Michael Greer, We speak about: -Why Yeats' occult writings remained scattered for so long—and why John decided to collect them. -The power couple of Yeats and Georgina ("Georgie") Hyde-Lees, Yeats' wife and collaborator on the automatic writing that became the foundation of A Vision. -"A mysterious contact is perceptible first in painting and then in poetry and last in prose." -Carl Jung had a copy of "A Vision" -There are four interwoven dimensions of A Vision, quote: "The first is a study of human personality, the second an innovative system of occult philosophy, the third an account of the cycles of history, and the fourth a description of the afterlife—and all four of these unfold from the same symbolic structure, share the same philosophical outlook, and interleaf with one another in a galaxy of ways." -How our deepest thoughts sometimes seem to come from elsewhere - a stream of images -The soul's continued development after death -Cycles of history and why civilizations move through recurring phases rather than linear progress -Yeats believed the imagination opens us to "an invisible commerce of reverie and of sleep." -How Yeats wanted to start an order, see this quote: "I planned a mystical Order which should buy or hire the castle, and keep it as a place where its members could retire for a while for contemplation, and where we might establish mysteries like those of Eleusis and Samothrace; and for ten years to come my most impassioned thought was a vain attempt to find philosophy and to create ritual for that Order." -How irish is poetry - see this quote: "An impulse towards what is definite and sensuous, and an indifference towards the abstract and the general, are the lineaments, as I understand the word, of all that comes not from the learned, but out of common antiquity, out of the "folk" as we say, and in certain languages, Irish for instance—and these languages are all poetry—it is not possible to speak an abstract thought." -How Yeats and his wife was great astrologers!!! If you've only known Yeats as a poet, this conversation offers a glimpse into the esoteric vision that informed so much of his work and this conversation with John Michael Greer oh man, it is so informative, inspiring and helpful in explaining these invisible workings. John is a wonderful Gemini as was Yeats! LINKS: https://ecosophia.net/ [https://ecosophia.net/] the book: https://spirit.aeonbooks.com/product/magical-writings-of-wb-yeats/95401 [https://spirit.aeonbooks.com/product/magical-writings-of-wb-yeats/95401] Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/ [https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/] youtube edition of this programme: https://youtu.be/cuwma60tggQ [https://youtu.be/cuwma60tggQ]

#161 - Jessica DiRuzza - Neurodivergence & Therapeutic Astrology - Trust Psyche

WARNING: REALLY RICH EPISODE, You will meet Jessica DiRuzza who is a depth psychotherapist and has Trust Psyche School of Astrology and Depth Psychology - For many years, she has been doing what Therapeutic Astrology is all about - that is, integrating the wisdom of depth psychology and astrology, helping people heal through both symbolic and therapeutic conversations. In THIS conversation, you are about to her, we explore exactly that- the meeting of psychotherapy and astrology and our main focus today is on neurodivergence!! Can it be seen in the birthchart? And if so, how? Jessica views neurodiversity as a necessary part of human evolution ! Here are some of what we talk about: -Jessicas embodied astrology practise -The limitation of one session of astrology and the importance of safety, trust, and time when working with trauma and deep psychological change -Meeting each client where they are instead of relying on a single therapeutic model -Neurodiversity and why so many astrologers are naturally drawn to symbolic pattern recognition -The relationship between neurodivergence, trauma, and living in a world that isn't always designed for different nervous systems. This conversation is definitivly with a neuroaffirming perspective !! We both share vulnerable accomodations to a disability -Interventions - is it the right word?? -Jessica shares about "twice exceptional" and how extraordinary gifts can mask invisible disabilities -Hyper- and hypo-sensitivity EXPLAINED really well - and of course remember that our greatest gifts often emerge from the same place as our deepest challenges! -Chiron as a symbol of the universal human wound (what does Chiron have to do with neurodivergence??) -Jessica is big on the value of PARADOX (libra south node perhaps) -Spotting neurdiversity in the chart...well...it is symbolism not causation! -we are reminded of the danger of dogmatism in both astrology and psychotherapy -Why every astrologer works from an underlying metaphysics! -My suggestion of Pisces and Aquarius to have a special relationship with neurodivergence, because of their otherworldliness (Neptune, Uranus, 12 og 11th house signatures of course also) If you know Jessica's work, you'll know she has produced many inspiring lectures and teachings online, see links below: LINKS: https://trustpsyche.com/about/ [https://trustpsyche.com/about/] https://www.youtube.com/@TrustPsyche [https://www.youtube.com/@TrustPsyche] Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/ [https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/] Youtube edition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_z9D06N3y8 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_z9D06N3y8]

#160 - Perdita Finn: Mothers of Magic - Summoning the Wisdom of our Ancestors

"We have more lives than we can imagine to make our dreams come true, to see our prayers answered. To see with the eyes of the dead is to know that our story is a long story with so many more twists and turns and returns than we can imagine. To see with the eyes of the dead is to know that the future stretches before us into eternity and there is all the time in the world for the magic of life itself." Quote from the book "Mothers of Magic" by my guest today, Perdita Finn, whose work offers a profoundly enriching vision for humanity. As an Aquarius, she embodies the archetype's gift for seeing beyond convention and imagining new ways of being together. Because....Our bodily appetites and our spiritual hungers were never meant to be pulled apart, as she says. TAP in with us as we speak about: -"Mother" is not an individual identity but a collective reality -You don't own your baby - plus one woman should not be responsible for feeding the baby -Male mothers -They are telling us who we should be, not who we used to be! -To call out to mountain mothers, plant mothers and ancinent mothers from BEFORE civilisation -We dont have to heal our dead grandparents -The de-demonizing of talking to the dead -The long story and the empowerent of the dead -What it is to live in the longer story -this quote is essential: "I did not think of my ancestors as a lineage of names to which I was connected biologically but rather an entangled root system of beings who were the very ground from which I grew. All the dead who had ever been were our dead, were my dead, were there for me to call upon when I needed help." -Sugar Addiction seriously!! See this quote again from the book we speak about: "I needed to dive deep into the depths of time, the depths of my own soul, to call forth the guidance not just of my mother and my grandmother but an entire ocean of ancestral mothers and grandmothers. Only they could help me get sober." -Addiction and Civilization!!! Maybe we have to trust the long story of our souls—so much longer than a lifetime, a species, or an epoch—in order to find our way back to real sobriety!!!!! -FORGIVENESS (take back the magic) -TO SEE WITH THE EYES OF THE DEAD (before dying yourself) Uh and so much more- stick around for it all, a very inspiring interview! Find more on Perdita Finn here: https://takebackthemagic.com/about-perdita/ [https://takebackthemagic.com/about-perdita/] the book we speak of: https://a.co/d/03YPtUvB [https://a.co/d/03YPtUvB] Her writings on substack: https://perditafinn.substack.com/ [https://perditafinn.substack.com/] this episode on youtube: https://youtu.be/_cFSTzMIs-0 [https://youtu.be/_cFSTzMIs-0] Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/ [https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/]